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But I mean when I first started looking at places, I've actually been looking for a while

when I was in Vermont, I was looking for a church to burn. That's what I really wanted to do.

And when I was in Texas, I was looking at a lot of churches too.

Oh, just, it's like a personal thing. I had it in my mind that I was going to start using churches.

Do you research those kind of things? The reason I'm asking that is I've spent a lot of time looking at your computer.

And you've got stuff on there like houses, house searches, and I've seen stuff like that on the computer and houses.

And so as part of the abandoned house thing, are you driving around looking for more or are you actually researching?

This one obviously drove around.

Yeah, that one I'm driving around. No, I haven't specifically looked for, no, I have done property searches like for sale properties.

You can get pictures online usually of what the property looks like and what's there and what areas and I've done searches.

All right, I had started doing searches for churches too. I think I have a little bit of your plan with churches.

I mean, what do you put in your mind when you look at...

Well, if it's an out of the way church, there's usually nobody there on the weekdays.

So...

Using for what though? I mean, using churches.

Well, for an example, that's what I was looking for in Vermont.

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