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Just a warning before we start. This podcast has some strong language and covers some intense material.

A while ago, someone handed me this recording.

The conversation on this tape is so strange and disturbing

that I've lost count of how many times I've listened to it.

I've spent nearly two years now just trying to figure out what to make of it.

As it starts you can hear this man shuffling around in a quiet room.

He clears his throat.

Then someone else comes to the door.

Yep.

It opens, another man enters the room.

Love a chair, mate.

Remember we've got some work today.

Yes, things.

The two men start talking, and right away, it's clear they're involved in some pretty dodgy stuff.

I've got a lot of things going on all over the place.

I understand, you know, you've been involved in a few things helping us out with I think

the guns to the bikies. On the smoke you. Those sort of things you know.

Selling guns to bikies is pretty serious organized crime.

For legal reasons we've altered one of the voices to disguise the man's identity.

I like to get to know the people that we want to have on board the crew, you know?

The guy leading the conversation sounds like a crime boss, like a gang leader or a kingpin, some sort of Mr Big.

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