It's time for the Line of Fire with your host, activist, author, international speaker, and theologian, Dr. Michael Brown, your voice of moral, cultural, and spiritual revolution.

Michael Brown is the director of the Coalition of Conscience and President of Fire School of Ministry.

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Here again is Dr. Michael Brown.

Well, I've got a special guest joining me today, Pastor Carl Gowlis.

He is longtime pastor of a Baptist church in Florida over 30 years. He's a radio host. He is a best

selling author. He's not afraid to tackle controversial subjects in his newest book,

Gods and Thrones. Just the title of it is interesting. Carl, great to have you on the show with us today.

Thank you, Michael. It's always an honor to be with you. God bless you, brother.

And more interesting than the title is the subtitle. What's the subtitle of your books, sir?

Yeah, Nakash, forgotten prophecy, and the return of the Elohim.

All from the title to the subtitle, they're all very solid, conservative, balanced, contextual, theological topics.

But you're right, the title put that way as rather intriguing.

Yeah, rather intriguing, which is the whole purpose of a book.

And we'll get you the Hebrew, the Kh chah the nahash pronunciation we'll work on that

through the show all right you have been known for writing and saying we're living in prophetic times

we're living in the most prophetic times when i came to faith in 1971 at the age of 16 how lindsay's

book late great planet earth was out. We were told,

this is it. The end is near. Jesus is coming at any minute. In a sense, the church has always lived

in prophetic times. So what do you mean by that? And why do you think today is different than other times?

Yeah, well, there's no question that this is different. And yeah, and you know, it's funny because you and I are about

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