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Year. We've been talking all week about the magic of Christmas. We've been involved in it.

I refer the duration of our time together, right?

And then...

Started a year before I got here.

Yeah.

And then a year before you got here, I was in it with Andy Evans.

And so it was...

That would make it, geez, about 18 years.

Yep.

It actually sinks up.

It was we do the math with our next guest.

Actually syncs up with Josie Rohn getting involved, right?

So about 18 years now, we've been involved with the Magic of Christmas.

Debbie Williams-Hokes started this program 29 years ago where she goes around

Washingtonaw County and brings Christmas to kids and families in this community.

Otherwise, wouldn't have it.

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