And we are back, folks, here on the Michigan Insider on the Big 1050 WTCA online at the big 1050.com, Sam Webb, Mr. Ira Wynchrop on the other side.

And so, Ira, I mentioned prior to the recruiting roundup, spending some time with the McKinney's yesterday, or the majority of the day yesterday with the McKinney yesterday out of MIS,

spoke to Big John a lot, Trey's dad.

I want that got to be right.

I hear you.

Now, what you kind of understand about Big John.

Very confident dude.

Super confident dude.

What you already know about Big John is he, um, he believes in

his son in a, in a big time way, been saying forever his son's an NBA player. He is right

about that. He was saying that years ago.

My son's an NBA player.

And I was always convinced he was an NBA player. What I will admit is he's looking more like a first round drive picked in faster than I thought he would.

Like I thought he was a three year guy.

And the part of the calculus for me was the, you know, a lot of the, what the NBA looks for

is they look for those freaky athletic dudes.

And Trey's not freaky athletic.

You know, he's, he's improved that athleticism.

That's clearly not his game.

But what I didn't anticipate,

Trey's skill level,

it makes up for,

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