I think it should suffice as a warning for anyone,

when regardless of which human being, refugee or citizen,

is inside a hotel, families, humans, are inside two hotels and they get burnt, they get torched.

Whatever you think about immigration and there's a legitimate debate to be had there,

if your hatred has got to a point where you're willing to torch hotels with live humans inside them, then you're no longer part a civilized conversation.

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So I feel like I'm obviously part of the independent media,

you're part of the independent media,

and I felt like there was a time when the independent media was growing.

Yeah.

And we were the place for a little bit more nuanced, rational debate,

not part of the establishment,

probably a little bit more free to say things. But I feel like over the last year or two, some of those independent

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