I'm J.J. Heller, and this is Instrumental, a show about the big and small moments that shape our lives.

In every episode, my guest and I start near the end of their story and work our way back to the beginning.

I hope our conversation reminds you that every second matters, because none of us knows which moment will be the one

that changes everything.

Hey everybody, welcome back to another episode of Instrumental. I'm J.J. Heller. I'm Dave Heller.

And we're so glad that you're here.

Yeah, what she said.

Today, we get to introduce you to our friend Andrew Ossanga.

And Andrew is actually one of the very first people we met in Nashville.

Way back in 2005, we were young.

We're still young, Dave.

Yeah, we're very young 40-year-olds.

I mean, like relative to like a redwood, we're saplings.

Haplings.

I almost be my pants

Okay, let's talk about Andrew a little bit more.

Also, you're kind of turning red. Oh, gosh. So the reason why a lot of

you will know Andrew is because he has a podcast called The Pivot. I love his podcast. Yeah, it's about

major changes that have occurred in people's lives. And you've even been a guest on the pivot.

Well, and when I was on his show, he asked me if I thought that my experience with anxiety

had any connection to the fact that I write lullabies.

And I had never thought of that before.

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