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Exactly, something like three hours,

no phones sitting in a circle where you can see everyone's eyeballs

and you can connect with each man and

understand where they're coming from but if we take it back to the tribal

example 10,000 years ago what's the worst thing that could ever happen to you?

Eat by a tiger? Exactly. How does that happen? Get kicked out of the tribe,

almost certain death to not be with because if it's not a saber-toothed tiger

it's a rival tribe. You know we we grew together. We were organized when after a battle, we sat in a

circle around a fire and we processed and we connected. That doesn't happen today.

Today this is Brandon Clips and you're listening to the Tom Rowland Podcast. There are those in your life that mean a tremendous amount to you and sometimes you don't realize that until many many years later what an impact what a small little legacy someone left on your life.

Today's podcast is is kind of about that a little bit. There was a gentleman in my life.

He's 10 years older than me. He was friends with my sister. little different

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