On this episode, we cover the Joel Rogan Experience, episode number 2,210, with guests Callie and Casey Means.

The No Rogan Experience starts now.

The No Rogan Experience starts now. Welcome back to the show.

This is the show where two podcasters with no previous Rogan experience get to know Joe Rogan.

It's a show for anyone who's curious about Joe Rogan, his guests and the claims they make, as well as for anyone who just

wants to understand Joe's ever-growing media influence. I'm Michael Marshall. I'm joined as ever by

Cecil Cicero. Today we're going to be covering Joe's October 2024 interview with

Callie and Casey Means, the siblings. It's an interview that's been viewed 1.8 million times

on YouTube alone. So, Cecil, how did Joe introduce the Means in the show notes?

It says, Dr. Casey Means is the co-founder of Levels Health, which provides insights into

metabolic health through real-time data. Callie Means is the co-founder of TrueMed, which enables

HSA spending on healthy food, supplements, and exercise. They are the authors of good energy.

And is there anything else we should know about these siblings?

Well, Callie and Casey Means are co-emperors of their wellness empire.

Callie is a former food lobbyist and Casey was a Stanford educated surgeon and then she dropped out of surgical residency.

Means sought to leave mainstream traditional medicine. And so now if you're not familiar,

residency is the post-grad work where you complete your medical education on the job under

the supervision of doctors. Means set up a medical practice in Portland and practiced pseudoscientific functional medicine.

Her state license was labeled inactive of January of last year.

Means is the co-founder and chief medical officer of levels, a company that offers

continuous glucose monitors.

She is involved in her brother's company, TrueMed, means sells sponsored dietary supplements, creams,

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