Hello and welcome to the Feeling Good podcast. My name is Fabrice Nye, and I'm here with Dr. David Burns,

the founder and advocate of the team model. Good morning, David. Good morning.

I'm glad to have you here for episode one of the Feeling Good podcast.

It's kind of exciting. We'll see what happens.

Yeah, we'll see what happens.

And so to begin with, since I think a number of people are not familiar with the team model,

would you like to tell our audience a little bit about what this is about?

Yeah, we can focus on a couple of aspects.

First, what is team therapy, but second, how and why did it evolve?

Right.

And maybe to start out on the second question, I was very excited to be involved in the birth

of cognitive therapy way back in the 1970s.

I'd been purely in psychopharmacology, and I knew that that wasn't working for an

awful lot of my patients. And then I heard about cognitive therapyology and I knew that that wasn't working for an awful lot of my patients.

And then I heard about cognitive therapy and I got really excited, although I was skeptical at first, that people could change their thoughts and change their feelings.

It seemed kind of simplistic.

But I found that by going to Dr. Beck's weekly seminars and trying out,

you know, what were at that time very primitive cognitive therapy techniques, a lot of people

I'd been stuck with turned it around. They suddenly went from horribly depressed to joy and

relief. And I thought, wow, this is something

pretty fantastic. So you were a student of, an early student of Aaron Beck. Yeah. When I was a post-doctoral

fellow after my psychiatric residency and I was doing brain research on the kind of chemical

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