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save 10%. Hey guys on this podcast I had the opportunity to interview a buddy of mine Austin. We

were actually contractors together working for the same organization. Former Ranger Regiment

started as an E1 worked all the way up to a squad leader, did multiple combat rotations. We

were down-range a lot together. Then when are different ways we did contracting together and then

just recently started communicating about our next phase for my company Philcrust Survival,

which is introducing horses in mobility. You heard that right. Bugging out on horse like I did in

special operations utilizing mules, donkeys to be able to advance your situation moving through

terrain, difficult terrain by allowing the animal, in this case a mule or donkey, to carry the

weight that you normally would have to carry on your back, which obviously would make you combat

and effective. So I went to training and different things throughout my military career and served

in different countries where we utilized horses, donkeys and mules and thought to myself, well we need

a program for Philcrust Survival because we need to teach people how to ride, we need to teach

people how to load out mules and horses and we need to teach people how to bug out on their horse.

I mean when you look at a horse's abilities, go in 20, 30 miles a day on food and water,

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