Inside the Hive by Vanity Fair

Kamala Harris is up against a whole lot. As the presumptive Democratic nominee, she’s fighting against years of political malaise among her own voters, while competing against a man who has a cult-like following within his base. But these challenges, as Hillary Clinton learned herself in 2016, hardly get at the biggest question mark: Is America finally ready for a woman in the White House? That’s the subject of this week’s episode of Inside the Hive, which features NBC News Capitol Hill Correspondent Ali Vitali, who unpacks the long-standing gender inequities of performing on the national stage, the unique challenges faced by the vice president, and what a Harris victory might mean in the decades to come. “The more Black people, the more women who you see in positions of power, the more you realize, ‘Hey, this is normal. Of course, when they run, they can win,’” Vitali says. “And that's partly why we’re seeing this coalescing around Kamala Harris right now.”

Transcribed - Published: 25 July 2024

Love thy neighbor: It’s one of the most commonly uttered Biblical verses in the Christian faith. But when it comes to Christian nationalism, the movement doesn’t always practice what it preaches. Such is the subject of Inside the Hive’s latest episode featuring Katherine Stewart and Sam Perry, two experts on the religious right who discuss why Christian nationalists are now “much more ideological than theological,” how Donald Trump has wielded them as a political voting bloc, and why the former president’s failed assassination only reinforces his messiah-like mythology. “Everybody's saying it’s providence, he was saved by God,” says Stewart. “We’ve had eight or more years of this…A sector of the movement has, frankly, consistently framed the contemporary political landscape as being one of spiritual warfare.”

Transcribed - Published: 18 July 2024

What would America actually look like under a second Trump term? Few resources paint a clearer picture than the Heritage Foundation’s Project 2025, the right’s blueprint for a vast overhaul of the federal bureaucracy, as well as a playbook of immediate executive actions that could annihilate decades of Democratic progress in days. This week, the former president sought to disown the document, but Vanity Fair’s Molly Jong-Fast and Jeff Sharlet, are more than a little skeptical. And, on the latest episode of Inside the Hive, the two discuss precisely what voters should fear most in the 900-page plan—from mass deportations to crackdowns on reproductive rights—and whether the country truly condones or even wants a fascist MAGA makeover. “The majority will accept fascism,” says Sharlet. “I’ve never seen a country where that wasn’t true.”

Transcribed - Published: 11 July 2024

Chris Hayes of MSNBC’s “All In with Chris Hayes" joins Inside the Hive host Brian Stelter for a special episode—unplanned on a holiday break, but here we are. As President Biden's disastrous debate performance and the "catastrophe" of the SCOTUS immunity ruling converge in an existential question about America's future, Stelter and Hayes—who recently launched a series called The Stakes in his Why Is This Happening? podcast feed—parse the crush of headlines, and offer new behind-the-scenes details from the debate that has become an inflection point for the history books.

Transcribed - Published: 4 July 2024

On this recent episode of The Political Scene, hosts Susan B. Glasser, Jane Mayer, and Evan Osnos discuss the unusual and dangerous aspects of Donald Trump’s reëlection campaign, from his quid-pro-quo offer to oil executives to his daughter-in-law Laura’s new leadership position on the Republican National Committee.To discover more podcasts from The New Yorker visit newyorker.com/podcastsThis episode originally aired on May 17th, 2024

Transcribed - Published: 3 July 2024

We’re all feeling it: The exhaustion. The malaise. The discontent. The nagging suspicion that U.S. politics are futile. But if there is any year to resist the temptation of tuning out, say Jon Favreau and Tommy Vietor, it’s 2024. The two co-hosts of their popular “no bullshit” podcast Pod Save America join Inside the Hive to discuss the enduring appeal of Donald Trump, the palliative power of seeing comedy in political tragedy, and why voters should view themselves as change agents come November. “Your vote is not about rewarding or punishing Joe Biden or Donald Trump or any candidate,” says Favreau. “Your vote is about yourself and your future and what kind of country you want…The only way forward is to be involved and to try to make things better.”

Transcribed - Published: 27 June 2024

It’s not easy to stay in Donald Trump’s good graces. But throughout the years, Steve Bannon, host of the popular right-wing War Room podcast, has continued to prove an indispensable voice for the former president, saturating the airwaves with pro-MAGA propaganda while galvanizing Trump’s base into action. On the latest episode of inside the Inside the Hive, Puck National Correspondent Tina Nguyen and Washington Post National Political Reporter Isaac Arnsdorf discuss how the infamous and canny GOP strategist helped Trump come out of his post-election hibernation, whether Bannon is more bark than bite, and why his impending time behind bars could burnish his MAGA bona fides. “It’s amazing clout,” Nyugen says of Bannon's prison sentence, “for someone in the MAGA world in these MAGA times with a MAGA audience.”

Transcribed - Published: 20 June 2024

Ever since the rise of social media, news publishers have always been playing an unwinnable game of catch-up, chasing the changes in Big Tech’s byzantine algorithms to ensure the clicks keep coming. But with AI now in the picture, the playing field is about to get even more lopsided, according to Wired editor in chief Katie Drummond and Axios Senior Media Reporter Sara Fischer. Joining Brian Stelter on the latest episode of Inside the Hive, the two media mavens discuss how tech companies like OpenAI have painted outlets into a corner by offering lucrative licensing deals that could later come back to bite them. “If you strike a deal, you get to experiment with the top technology in generative AI while your competitors do not,” says Fischer, but you “don’t fully understand…the risk of what you're giving up and how valuable it could be.”

Transcribed - Published: 13 June 2024

Parsing fact from fiction is a requisite skill for any journalist. But for Steven Brill—the founder of Newsguard, a website dedicated to countering misinformation by ranking the reliability of news sources—it’s his life. Fresh on the heels of his new book, The Death of Truth, Brill joins host Brian Stelter to discuss Big Tech’s catastrophic moderation failures, how “pink slime” sites have infiltrated the news deserts, and why regaining public trust in the “referees” of real information is paramount for the 2024 election.

Transcribed - Published: 6 June 2024

In a special episode, host Brian Stelter discusses the Donald Trump guilty verdict with Mary Trump, a writer, psychologist, and niece of the former president and now-convicted felon. She describes how Trump has long tried to suppress feelings of humiliation and why she expects him to lash out even more after his conviction.

Transcribed - Published: 31 May 2024

Inside the Hive will be back with a fresh episode once the jury reaches a verdict in Donald Trump’s hush-money trial.

Transcribed - Published: 30 May 2024

Host Brian Stelter is joined by veteran Democratic operative Lis Smith to examine the campaign inside the Democratic Party to stop Robert F. Kennedy Jr. from spoiling the presidential election. They discuss why the Democratic Party is "leaving nothing to chance" this election cycle and the motives behind implementing a war room to explicitly ensure that third-party candidates receive the same type of scrutiny that major-party candidates traditionally receive. They also reflect on Kennedy's affinity for conspiracy theories, his running mate Nicole Shanahan, and what it means that his rhetoric and policy positions have shifted to the far right.

Transcribed - Published: 23 May 2024

As the Trump hush money trial heads toward closing arguments, CNN's chief legal correspondent Paula Reid tells host Brian Stelter about the biggest surprises thus far and previews the range of possible outcomes from the jury. Reid also shares an inside look at day-to-day television news coverage of the trial.

Transcribed - Published: 16 May 2024

From ‘Scandal’ to social justice, Black Twitter has dominated digital discourse, a phenomenon Prentice Penny explores in his new Hulu docuseries, “Black Twitter: A People's History,” based on Jason Parham's 2021 feature for Wired. Penny and Parham, along with J Wortham of the New York Times Magazine, join host Brian Stelter to discuss Black Twitter's cultural impact, and its future.

Transcribed - Published: 9 May 2024

Host Brian Stelter examines the media circus surrounding Donald Trump's hush money trial with Olivia Nuzzi, Washington correspondent for New York magazine, and Vanity Fair staff writer Dan Adler. They discuss what it's like to cover the criminal trial today while it seemingly feels like 2016 and why it's essential for journalists in the courtroom to shout every detail and talk about every aspect. They also reflect on the personalities in the room amid the controlled environment and what's to come, as the trial hasn't even touched on the alleged crime yet.

Transcribed - Published: 2 May 2024

On this week’s Inside the Hive with Brian Stelter, Vanity Fair writer Dan Adler and Hollywood Reporter special correspondent Lachlan Cartwright examine Donald Trump’s sordid relationship with David Pecker, the former National Enquirer executive at the center of the ex-president’s criminal hush money trial in Manhattan. Adler and Cartwight, both reporting from inside the courtroom, describe the “surreal” dynamics of this week's proceedings, and reveal how the back-scratching world of tabloid media ended up creating a monster. “You can’t believe this happened. You can’t believe it’s being litigated,” says Adler. “It all still is sort of like, a decade later, a little bit hard to process.”

Transcribed - Published: 25 April 2024

Host Brian Stelter checks in with Vanity Fair’s Dan Adler, who describes the strange scene at Donald Trump’s hush money trial. Then Stelter speaks with “Columbine” author Dave Cullen about the 25th anniversary of the Colorado school shooting. Cullen discusses what changed, and what didn't, about American culture, police practices and gun laws. He also reflects on his personal connection with the families intricately linked through an unending American tragedy.

Transcribed - Published: 18 April 2024

This is a preview episode of WIRED Politics Lab. Election deniers are mobilizing their supporters and rolling out new tech to disrupt the November election. These groups are already organizing on hyperlocal levels, and learning to monitor polling places, target election officials, and challenge voter rolls. And though their work was once fringe, its become mainstreamed in the Republican Party. Today, we focus on what these groups are doing, and what this means for voters and the election workers already facing threats and harassment.Listen to the full episode of WIRED Politics Lab here. Be sure to subscribe to the WIRED Politics Lab newsletter here.

Transcribed - Published: 13 April 2024

Host Brian Stelter speaks with ESPN women's basketball reporter Alexa Philippou and Vanity Fair contributing editor Tom Kludt about a sport seemingly at an inflection point and surging in interest at both the college and pro levels. The group discusses stars who have helped drive enthusiasm for the game, including Caitlin Clark, Angel Reese and coach Dawn Staley. They also reflect on challenges inside women's basketball and women's sports more broadly, particularly how record viewership still hasn't led to pay parity.

Transcribed - Published: 11 April 2024

Host Brian Stelter speaks with journalist Scott Nover about how Donald Trump, in the midst of legal and financial turmoil, just got a huge lifeline by way of Truth Social. No, the social media network for the MAGA crowd isn’t suddenly a raging success. But through a “meme stock media merger,” as Nover recently described it for Vanity Fair, the presumptive GOP nominee netted billions this week—at least on paper. Questions remain, though, as to how and when Trump can actually take this money out of the market?

Transcribed - Published: 28 March 2024

Host Brian Stelter examines the many criminal charges against Donald Trump with Bess Levin, a politics correspondent at Vanity Fair, and Vanity Fair staff writer Dan Adler. They discuss the details of the four indictments, including whether the tone of the Manhattan "hush money" case featuring the contents of a 2016 Access Hollywood tape will come across as an embarrassing, scandalous tabloid story for the former president or a technical, financial case. They also reflect on Trump's decades-long go-to legal strategy of invoking delay tactics and avoiding legal repercussions and what that could mean for the 2024 election and beyond.

Transcribed - Published: 21 March 2024

How reliable are political polls in an era when almost no one answers the phone? Pod Save America co-host Dan Pfeiffer tells Brian Stelter that he takes polls "seriously," if not literally, and says Democrats dismiss the data at their own peril. "We are living on the knife's edge," Pfeiffer says, with Donald Trump showing the "slightest of leads right now" over Joe Biden. Pfeiffer explains why he'd rather be the Biden campaign than the Trump campaign and gives tips about how to digest media coverage of the presidential campaign.

Transcribed - Published: 14 March 2024

Host Brian Stelter talks with Hawaii Senator Brian Schatz about the challenge of getting anything accomplished in Congress amid GOP dysfunction and Donald Trump’s demands, with a bipartisan border-security being the latest casualty. Schatz doesn’t mince words about Trump’s “fascist” tendencies, warns that democracy can be overthrown under a legalistic veneer, and chides the news media for failing to meet the moment.

Transcribed - Published: 7 March 2024

This week’s Inside the Hive explores the recent IVF ruling in Alabama and the very personal fight for reproductive rights in America. Host Brian Stelter talks with Amanda Zurawski, who is suing the state of Texas after being denied an abortion, about nearly dying during her difficult family planning journey. He also speaks with Washington Post reporter Leigh Ann Caldwell about Republicans’ complicated relationship with IVF that has involved a lot of misunderstanding of both the science and the political consequences of the ruling.

Transcribed - Published: 29 February 2024

On this week’s episode of Inside the Hive, host Brian Stelter talks to Kara Swisher, the crusading tech journalist, ahead of her forthcoming release, Burn Book, a no-holes-barred accounting of the tech titans who are wresting more and more control over the American economy—and attention span. They discuss the absurd antics of Elon Musk, the follies of Mark Zuckerberg’s privacy policies, and why the industry is in dire need of more capital “A” adults. “They don't feel like they have any responsibility for the things they say and the impact it has in the real world,” she tells Stelter. “And that’s always been a pressing issue for me as 2016 dawned, when you could see the implications of it.

Transcribed - Published: 22 February 2024

Host Brian Stelter explores how Joe Biden’s campaign is embracing TikTok with Makena Kelly, a senior writer at Wired, and Harry Sisson, an NYU junior and TikTok political commentator. They discuss how politicians can effectively harness the platform and how the 81-year-old president's team is hoping Dark Brandon can help sway Gen Z voters.

Transcribed - Published: 15 February 2024

Host Brian Stelter chats with special Vanity Fair correspondent Nick Bilton about the Apple Vision Pro, which hit shelves last week, as well as his sit-down with CEO Tim Cook at the company headquarters. They discuss how the long-awaited product is the future of spatial computing, why Cook isn't betting so big on AI, and whether augmented reality can really enhance the human experience in the years to come.

Transcribed - Published: 8 February 2024

Host Brian Stelter talks with Will Van Sant, a staff writer for The Trace, a nonpartisan newsroom covering guns, about whether the National Rifle Association can recover after the NRA corruption trial and the resignation of CEO Wayne LaPierre over lavish spending. They discuss the damning evidence against LaPierre, who he is as a calculating grifter and stoker of culture wars, and if the NRA and LaPierre's downfall ultimately even matters at this point when it comes to gun control measures.

Transcribed - Published: 1 February 2024

The wives and daughters of Dubai’s ruler live in unbelievable luxury. So why do the women in Sheikh Mohammed’s family keep trying to run away? The New Yorker staff writer Heidi Blake joins In the Dark’s Madeleine Baran to tell the story of the royal women who risked everything to flee the brutality of one of the world’s most powerful men. In four episodes, drawing on thousands of pages of secret correspondence and never-before-heard audio recordings, “The Runaway Princesses” takes listeners behind palace walls, revealing a story of astonishing courage and cruelty. “The Runaway Princesses” is a four-part narrative series from In the Dark and The New Yorker. To keep listening, follow In the Dark wherever you get your podcasts.

Transcribed - Published: 30 January 2024

Host Brian Stelter talks with NPR’s Andrea Bernstein, who has been in the courtroom for E. Jean Carroll’s defamation case against Donald Trump, along with Vanity Fair special correspondent Molly Jong-Fast. They discuss Trump using the backdrop of these legal proceedings to portray the system as rigged against him—a running grievance on the campaign trail—and how is public outbursts and continued attacks on Carroll could be a preview for the criminal trials to come.

Transcribed - Published: 25 January 2024

Host Brian Stelter checks in with veteran political reporter and CNN anchor Kasie Hunt fresh off her reporting trip to Iowa, where Donald Trump trounced Nikki Haley and Ron DeSantis, and on to New Hampshire, the next stop in a GOP race that already feels all but settled. They consider whether Nikki Haley can blunt the frontrunner’s momentum, how Trump’s celebrity status is his superpower with the Republican base, and what this unusual primary cycle portends for a likely Trump-Biden rematch in November.

Transcribed - Published: 18 January 2024

Inside the Hive host Brian Stelter explores the battle for the soul of the Democratic Party with Joshua Green, Bloomberg national correspondent and author of The Rebels. Green, who in his last book charted the right-wing populism of the Trump era, is now studying to the other side of the aisle, where popular figures like Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren, and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez helped lead an economic "backlash" to the 2008 financial crisis that pulled the party leftward.

Transcribed - Published: 11 January 2024

Host Brian Stelter talks with Michael Calderone, editor of Vanity Fair's The Hive, and Vanity Fair executive editor Claire Howorth about the defining issues of the 2024 election, including what's to come in the GOP primary, liberal fantasies and panic, and what's driving Trump ideology now. To an extent, the media has been preparing for how to cover Donald Trump in 2024 for almost a decade. The team discusses what the news media has learned, the forceful objectivity that has tripped up news organizations in covering the former president, and how to overcome voter political fatigue.

Transcribed - Published: 4 January 2024

Henry Kissinger, who died this year, at the age of a hundred, served in the Nixon and Ford Administrations as national-security adviser and Secretary of State; for a period, he was both at the same time. Kissinger fled Nazi Germany as a teen-ager, and went on to advise a dozen U.S. Presidents, from John F. Kennedy to Joe Biden. He opened up relations between the U.S. and China with Richard Nixon, pursued détente with the Soviet Union, and made decisions that led to death and destruction across Southeast Asia and beyond. Earlier this year, he travelled to Beijing to meet President Xi Jinping in an attempt to massage U.S.-China relations. “There are not that many hundred-year-olds who insist upon their own relevance and actually are relevant,” the New Yorker staff writer Susan B. Glasser says. Glasser calls Kissinger “the paradigmatic Washington figure,” and says that despite Kissinger’s history of destructive foreign-policy decisions, the American national-security establishment had a “collective addiction” to his thinking. How did Kissinger shape U.S. foreign policy, and what enabled him to remain a central political player in Washington long after he left office? The New Yorker staff writers Jane Mayer and Evan Osnos join Glasser to weigh in on The Political Scene.

Transcribed - Published: 28 December 2023

Host Brian Stelter breaks down Elon Musk’s erratic stewardship of Twitter, now X, with Zoë Schiffer, managing editor of Platformer and author of the forthcoming book, “Extremely Hardcore.” They discuss Musk’s rightward shift and war against the “woke mind virus,” the ramifications of him blowing up Twitter’s verification system, and whether it’s responsible to still post on X as misinformation and toxicity flow.

Transcribed - Published: 21 December 2023

Host Brian Stelter talks with Democratic strategist Simon Rosenberg about Joe Biden’s chances in the 2024 general election. Rosenberg’s approach to politics relies heavily on data, and he explains why he’s optimistic for Democrats about 2024. He also tells Stelter why he believes the campaign will be brutal and offers advice to the Biden campaign.

Transcribed - Published: 14 December 2023

Host Brian Stelter explores the fracturing of the evangelical church with Tim Alberta, an Atlantic staff writer and author of “The Kingdom, the Power, and the Glory.” Alberta, the son of an evangelical pastor, charts the church’s rightward trajectory and embrace of Donald Trump, who is seen as a champion in an Us vs. Them political showdown. Stelter and Alberta also discuss how a steady diet of outrage on cable news, talk radio, and social media has helped radicalize the flock. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Transcribed - Published: 7 December 2023

Host Brian Stelter talks with Vanity Fair contributing editor Monica Lewinsky about her proposal to add six amendments to the Constitution to help safeguard democracy, such abolishing the electoral college, establishing term limits in Washington, and blocking presidents from pardoning themselves. They’re joined by Georgetown Law Professor Neal Katyal, who addresses the merits of Lewinsky's proposal—and the steep legislative bar to making it a reality. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Transcribed - Published: 30 November 2023

Host Brian Stelter joins author Garrett Graff for a deep dive into the world of unidentified anomalous phenomena and intelligent life elsewhere, the subject of his new book, “UFO: The Inside Story of the US Government’s Search for Alien Life Here—And Out There.” They discuss how we might discover another civilization and what Hollywood gets wrong, the government’s focus on greater transparency of UFO research, and where conspiracies stem from. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Transcribed - Published: 16 November 2023

Host Brian Stelter speaks with Stephen Shackelford and Davida Brook, two of the lead attorneys in Dominion Voting Systems' lawsuit against Fox. "We have so much work ahead of us," Shackelford says, because even though Fox paid $787.5 million earlier this year to settle the case, Dominion is still suing many other defendants, including Newsmax and Rudy Giuliani. Those cases are "all proceeding towards trial," Brook says. Shackelford says Dominion was "put through hell" by Donald Trump's election lies in 2020 – "hell that continues to this day." Brooks says the ongoing litigation is about "setting the record straight." Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Transcribed - Published: 9 November 2023

Host Brian Stelter joins Naomi Klein for a trip into the mirror world, the subject of her unsettling new book, “Doppelganger.” They discuss Klein’s own mirror self—the conspiratorial writer Naomi Wolf—how Steve Bannon shapes political narratives, and the challenges of understanding what’s happening on the ground in Israel and Gaza as an information war plays out alongside the carnage. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Transcribed - Published: 2 November 2023

The GOP's least favorite party pooper had some choice words after Donald Trump complained about McKay Coppins' new book. Host Brian Stelter explores Mitt Romney's path from Republican standard-bearer to party pariah with Coppins, who interviewed Romney dozens of times for “Romney: A Reckoning.” Coppins discussed Romney’s decision to unburden himself after the January 6 attack; the senator's own complicity in the GOP’s Trumpian trajectory; and fears about the future of democracy. Share your thoughts via our Listener Survey here: https://selfserve.decipherinc.com/survey/selfserve/222b/75187?pin=1&uBRANDLINK=5&uCHANNELLINK=2 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Transcribed - Published: 26 October 2023

Host Brian Stelter breaks down the GOP dysfunction in Congress with Vanity Fair national political reporter Abigail Tracy, who has been covering the speaker fracas from the Capitol, and Brian Rosenwald, the author of “Talk Radio’s America.” They discuss Jim Jordan’s rise from fringe firebrand to the party’s pick, and the toxic synergy between House hardliners and right-wing media. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Transcribed - Published: 19 October 2023

Host Brian Stelter gets firsthand perspective on the Israel-Hamas war, first from Avi Mayer, the editor-in-chief of The Jerusalem Post, followed by Mohammed Mhawish, a Palestinian journalist reporting from Gaza City. Both journalists discuss the physical dangers and psychological toll of covering an unfolding tragedy, along with the challenges of combating disinformation. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Transcribed - Published: 12 October 2023

With RFK Jr. expected to launch a third-party bid for president, Vanity Fair special correspondent Joe Hagan tells host Brian Stelter about visiting the Kennedy family compound in Hyannis Port and why he thinks the candidate isn't great for the Kennedy name and legacy. Hagan traces the once-celebrated environmental lawyer’s path down a conspiratorial rabbit hole and describes how Kennedy, despite being a charmless "bully" in person, could be a spoiler in the 2024 campaign. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Transcribed - Published: 5 October 2023

Host Brian Stelter talks with WNYC’s Nancy Solomon and The Messenger’s Dan Merica about the corruption scandal dogging Bob Menendez and how the seemingly teflon senator from New Jersey may finally lose his grip on power. Allegations of gold bars and cash-filled envelopes have led Democrats to call for his resignation, with a 2024 senate race on the horizon. But what if Menendez doesn’t budge? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Transcribed - Published: 28 September 2023

On a special episode, host Brian Stelter talks to Vanity Fair’s Gabriel Sherman about Rupert Murdoch stepping down as chairman of News Corp and Fox, the 92-year-old media mogul’s legacy, and the future of his sprawling empire. Theories are flying as to why Murdoch officially passed the reins now to his oldest son, Lachlan, including that it might help the family patriarch avoid testifying in another 2020 election case. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Transcribed - Published: 21 September 2023

On a special episode, host Brian Stelter talks to Vanity Fair’s Gabriel Sherman about Rupert Murdoch stepping down as chairman of News Corp and Fox, the 92-year-old media mogul’s legacy, and the future of his sprawling empire. Theories are flying as to why Murdoch officially passed the reins now to his oldest son, Lachlan, including that it might help the family patriarch avoid testifying in another 2020 election case. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Transcribed - Published: 21 September 2023

Host Brian Stelter talks to Vanity Fair’s Abigail Tracy and veteran political journalist John Harwood about Kevin McCarthy’s failure to control his House GOP caucus as a government shutdown looms. Bombthrowers like Matt Gaetz, Marjorie Taylor Greene, and Lauren Boebert are “not serious people,” says Harwood, a Polis Distinguished Fellow at Duke University. “They're on television, they have podcasts or whatever,” he adds, “but they're not built to do what politicians have to do to make government work.” Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Transcribed - Published: 21 September 2023

Host Brian Stelter discusses the Republican Party’s anti-democracy trajectory with Steven Levitsky and Daniel Ziblatt, Harvard professors and co-authors of the new book “Tyranny of the Minority.” The pair, who sounded the alarms with their acclaimed 2018 book, “How Democracies Die,” discuss increasing threats ahead of the 2024 election, and which constitutional changes could keep America on the path toward multiracial democracy. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Transcribed - Published: 14 September 2023