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Offline with Jon Favreau

Zuck Takes the Stand, ChatGPT Turns on Lovett, and the Surprising Ties Between Our Biology and Our Politics

Offline with Jon Favreau

Crooked Media

Society & Culture, News

4.72K Ratings

🗓️ 17 April 2025

⏱️ 83 minutes

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Summary

Free speech warrior Mark Zuckerberg took the witness stand this week to defend Meta in a big antitrust case that, if successful, could break up the social media giant. Max and Jon run through the trial thus far, and discuss how Silicon Valley tycoons skewered themselves by supporting Trump. Then, the guys delve into the ever-improving state of AI, with help from Offline AI correspondent Jon Lovett. To round it all out, Dr. Leor Zmigrod joins the show to talk about her new book, The Ideological Brain, which explores the neuroscience of ideology and why some people are more susceptible to extremist thought than others.

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world collides with everyday life.

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You don't know what's true or not, because you don't know if AI was involved in it.

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So my first reaction was, ha-ha, this is so funny.

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And my next reaction was, wait a minute, I'm a journalist. Is this real?

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And I think we will see it to a streamer president, maybe within our lifetimes.

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