Welcome to the podcast Think Fibically, Conversations on Faith and Culture.

I'm your host Sean McDowell, Professor of Apologetics at Talbot School of Theology, Biola University.

And I'm your co-host, Scott Ray, Dean of Faculty, and Professor of Christian Ethics,

also at Talbot School of Theology, Biola University.

Today we're here with a friend of Biola who many of our listeners will recognize Dr.

Jonathan Wells.

He's the author of a number of books including icons of evolution and his most

recent one we're going to talk about today, zombie science. He has earned a PhD in

molecular and cell biology from UC Berkeley and a PhD in molecular and cell biology from UC Berkeley and a PhD in

religious studies from Yale University so clearly has the experience and

knowledge to talk about the subject we're addressing today.

Dr. Wells, thanks so much for coming on the show.

It's a pleasure to be here, Sean.

Let me start by asking you this question.

How did you become a Darwin skeptic? I mean especially studying at Berkeley.

How did you come to doubt the standard story we often hear about evolution?

Well I was actually at Berkeley twice. I was there as an undergraduate in the

late 60s and when I graduated with my bachelor's degree in 1970 I was both a Darwinist and a leftist.

But the increasingly violent behavior of my leftist colleagues

repeled me, and I literally headed for the hills.

Eventually I built a small cabin in the woods of Northern California.

And surrounded by the beauty of nature, I realized this could not have all happened by accident as Darwinian evolution would have us believe.

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