Zohran Mamdani: Socialist or Sell-Out? With Butch Ware, Matt Lieb and Daniel Mate

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🗓️ 30 November 2025

⏱️ 147 minutes

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Katie talks to former Green party vice-presidential nominee Butch Ware about his run for Governor of California, his thoughts on Gavin Newsom and Katie Porter and his critique of Zohran Mamdani for protecting Hakeem Jeffries, Zionism and "playing footsie" with fascists. But first we talk to Bad Hasbara co-hosts Matt Lieb and Daniel Maté about former Obama speech-writer Sarah Hurwitz who has unwittingly exposed the Zionist weaponization of the Holocaust and antisemitism in a way no anti-zionist ever could. And we talk to Esteban Girón, Political Director of Tenants PAC and a longtime organizer with the Crown Heights Tenant Union about Zohran's housing about the good, the bad and the ugly in Zohran's transition team. For the full discussion, please join us on Patreon at - https://www.patreon.com/posts/patreon-full-144422559 Butch Ware is a lifelong activist and educator specializing in the history of empire, colonialism, genocide and revolution. He is associate professor of History at UC Santa-Barbara. He was the 2024 vice-presidential nominee for the Green Party. He is running for Governor of California. Matt Lieb is a comedian, podcaster, accidental award winning journalist, and guy from Good Mythical Morning. He hosts the podcast Bad Hasbara. Daniel Maté is the co-host of Bad Hasbara, a musical theater lyricist, the world's only mental chiropractor, and the co-author of "The Myth Of Normal: Trauma, Illness, and Healing in a Toxic Culture" by Gabor Maté. He also co-wrote with Katie the Parody song "Nothing's Gonna Stop Us Now: The Genocidal Remix" a duet by Biden and Bibi https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEG76hlnhNw. **Please support The Katie Halper Show ** For bonus content, exclusive interviews, to support independent media & to help make this program possible, please join us on Patreon - / thekatiehalpershow Get your Katie Halper Show Merch here! https://katiehalper.myspreadshop.com/all Follow Katie on Twitter: https://x.com/kthalps Follow Katie on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/kthalps Follow Katie on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@kthalps_

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0:40.3	Hello, everyone, and welcome to the Katie Helper show. We have a chock full of guest show for you today.
0:47.3	Very excited to be speaking to Butch Ware, who was the Green Party nominee for president, and he's now running for governor of
0:57.0	California. So he's going to be on during the second half of the show. We're also going to be
1:02.0	talking to tenants' rights at housing organizer Estevan Hiron. But first, we're going to be talking
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