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The Bulwark Podcast

Zerlina Maxwell and Josh Barro: We Are in a Bad Place

The Bulwark Podcast

The Bulwark

Politics, News, News Commentary

4.68.9K Ratings

🗓️ 6 August 2025

⏱️ 71 minutes

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Summary

Gerrymandering has always been partisan, but what's happening in Texas is straight-up racial politics. Republicans are targeting and trying to disenfranchise black voters while betting that Latino voters will stick with them. And because Trump hasn't had a lot of luck making the furor over Epstein and Ghislaine go away, JD is stepping in to host a totally 100% aboveboard damage control session at his house—with the top officials at the DOJ. Plus, the U.S. had almost zero job growth in May and June, the economy is slowing, and prices are ticking up.

Josh Barro and Zerlina Maxwell join Tim Miller.

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0:00.0

Hello and welcome to the Bullwark podcast. I'm your host Tim Miller. I got something of a quadruple header for you today. I'm off a vacation. So, you know, buckle in.

0:25.3

Over on the bulwark takes feed, I'd employ you to check that out because with Will Summer,

0:32.2

I discuss an insane MAGA influencer girl feud that includes accusations of public fingering at a TPSA event. So if you just need a little dessert today, I'll check that out.

0:37.1

Sam Stein is on T&L, JVL's out.

0:39.2

So me, Sam and Sarah are doing politics talk. You can check that out on the next level feed. And right here on the board podcast, it's a double header. In segment two, we got Josh Barrow talking all things, the economy, that jobs report, questions of the Fed. But first, she's a political analyst and host of mornings with Zerlina on Sirius XM.

0:36.8

Her substack is the inner work dispatch at Zerlina Maxwell. What's up, girl? What's up? How are you? I haven't seen you in a long time. Yeah, it's been too long. I'm doing pretty good, all things considered. I went to Universal with two seven-year-olds yesterday. That's so fun. So, you know, I'm alive, right? No, that's really fun though.

0:54.5

Was it yesterday or was it Monday? It was two days ago. It feels like yesterday. Actually, I flew all day with the child yesterday. Lean into the inner child. We were embracing that. That's true. Some whimsy. Yeah. Finding some whimsy. I found a little whimsy on the Jurassic Park ride, I will admit. So we're doing good.

1:44.7

Have you caught any of the Maga Girl feud? I have not. That was my first time hearing about it. You're in for a treat if you check out that video. You're in for a treat. I got to tell you. People are coming out of the wood. Anyway, it's something else. All right. Let's do some real business, though. I want to first talk to you about the Texas redistricting stuff.

1:47.5

There continues to be, I guess, new developments on that front.

1:51.9

Greg Abbott yesterday, I began acting to remove Texas Democrat Gene Wu from office.

1:58.8

He's, I guess, the ringleader of the group of Texas Democrats that have left for Illinois

2:04.7

to deny the Republicans a quorum to redraw the districts.

2:10.0

There are a couple of different kind of elements of this I want to talk to you about,

2:12.8

but just first on like the straight anti-democratic element of it and how that has really kind of

2:20.9

infected like the Republican Party, you know, stern to stem here.

2:24.8

I've been thinking so much about how to talk about the Texas redistricting in a way that

2:30.4

breaks through some of the media narratives around what's happening. Because every single

2:36.0

story I'm reading in the mainstream press is about how this is partisan gerrymandering or that

2:41.9

this is hyper-partisanship. And one of the things that I keep going back to is the reason why this

2:47.6

is happening now. Right? There's partisan gerrymandering. That's the thing that

2:52.4

happens in blue states and red states. And that's something that we've tried to deal with for

2:57.7

many, many years. But it's happening now and in this administration for two reasons. Number one,

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