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Welcome back to Rethinking, my podcast on the science of what makes us tick

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I'm an organizational psychologist, and I'm taking what makes us tick with the TED Audio Collective.

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and I'm taking you inside the minds of fascinating people

to explore new thoughts and new ways of thinking.

My guest today is Yoval Noah Harari. He's the historian best known for his book Sapiens, which has sold over 25 million copies and spent more than 200 weeks on the New York Times bestseller list.

Uval has a new book for young readers, Unstoppable Us, Volume 2, Why the World Isn't Fair.

In many cases there is really a contradiction or a clash between

justice and peace. Let's start on fairness then, since it's the subject of the hour. Maybe you can answer a question that's bothered me since I was a kid.

I remember growing up my mom would always say life isn't fair.

And I hated hearing that.

I think you have an explanation that might be a little more satisfying than the one that she gave.

Our ideas of fairness are usually stories invented by humans and the universe doesn't follow our stories. So most concepts of

fairness and justice they are just human imagination. And when we try to impose them on reality it doesn't work.

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