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Surviving the Survivor,

where we bring you the best guests in all of true crime.

What's up, S.S. Nation, and welcome to yet another episode of

surviving the survivor, the podcast that promises to bring you the very best

guests in all of true crime and you might notice I am not wearing my headsets because once again we are having another technical issue but we will resolve this one this time for some reason the microphone does not want to connect but we will get it to connect in Black

Wador in the Republic of Ireland telling us here we go yes we are going the star

of a once very popular YouTube channel with millions of followers.

We just got our little silver play button.

Karm just asked me what that is.

I told her not to worry about it, but you get the gold one at a million, so we've got a ways to go for that one. But Ruby Frankie had that.

Until she pleaded guilty to multiple charges of child abuse.

Well, her and her quote unquote partner in all this, Jody Hildebrand,

were in a Utah courtroom today to be sentenced and what we experienced there today

was both interesting and disturbing and we've got some of the best attorneys out of Utah here to join as well as one of the best

child therapists in all the land and wildfire saying great panel as usual.

I think you will be very pleased with these best guests.

Starting off with Greg Scordis, he has practiced law since 1982, began his career at the Salt Lake Legal Defenders Association

representing indigent defendants in criminal matters and he gained a great appreciation for the value, as he says, of competent

legal representation and our Constitution's protections for victims and the accused.

And that is why he is a criminal defense attorney looking sharp with your haircut

Greg don't think I didn't notice that.

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