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These days, science and magic are generally thought of as being diametrically opposed.

Fact versus fiction, reason versus fantasy, modern sensibilities versus archaic misconceptions.

But that hasn't always been the case.

For Scientific American Science Quickly, I'm Rachel Fultman.

My guest today is Larissa Grolamond, assistant curator in the

manuscripts department at the Gettie Museum in Los Angeles. She's behind an exhibit called Rising

Signs, the medieval science of astrology, which the Gettys Center is presenting until January 5th,

2025. Larissa, thank you so much for joining us today.

I'm so happy to be here.

So I understand that you curated an exhibit on a really fascinating topic at the intersection of history, art, science, culture.

Would you tell us a little bit more about it?

Sure. The exhibition is called Rising Signs, the medieval science of astrology.

And what I really wanted to do with this exhibition, because I think astrology is still something that is such a relevant topic for so many people. And even increasingly so. I think people know their sun sign, of course, but they also know things about lunar eclipses and Mercury Retrograde. And I feel like it's part of our contemporary visual culture and our contemporary culture in a way that is really

integrated with our daily lives. And for the Middle Ages and for people living in medieval Europe,

astrology was also really a part of daily life. And it was

utilized in ways that I think we would be unfamiliar with today. So in terms of making medical

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