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Your listening to bullet proof radio with Dave asprey today is going to be a really really good interview because we're going to get into psychedelics today and our guest is Dr Phil Wolson the creator of a new approach to psychotherapy based on ketamine called ketamine assisted psychotherapy.

And if you're a long time listener about a hundred episodes ago I went and I did ketamine assisted psychotherapy down in San Diego and talked about it.

And Phil though is the guy who made it happen he's the CEO of the nonprofit ketamine research foundation.

He spent many decades doing clinical psychiatry and psychotherapy.

We're going to talk about what he's done how he got there and he's also a journalist and author of a lot of articles on transformation politics psychedelics consciousness in spirit.

So we'll get a little bit out there today but remember ketamine is a legal widely available substance not subject to the same regulatory problems as some of the other things like LSD or mushrooms or even MDMA all of which are making progress as chemicals that can be used for healing even though they could also be used for other things.

Dr Wolson or Phil as I'll call you welcome to the show my pleasure indeed thanks for having me.

Why ketamine.

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Ketamine is originally an anesthetic and an analgesic put together off of PCP anilob research in the late 1960s and when it first was being used at word domino was the inventor of it.

So that people coming out of high dosages of ketamine were having what he called emerging defects and they were having a psychedelic experiences and unfortunately because he didn't know what to do with that and people weren't being supported in it there were people who really had trouble with the substance.

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