Welcome to deepen with Pastor Joby Martin. The Church of 1122 is a movement for all people to discover and deepen a relationship with Jesus Christ. And we're praying this message helps you deepen your relationship with him. Now let's dive in. All right, Charles can't answer this because I already told him the answer to this.

Who can tell me the saint, the name of the saint that is venerated as the thief on the cross?

Demus?

Demus? Is that the other one?

No, Dismus, you're right.

Demos.

Dismus.

Or Dismus is venerated in the Catholic Church as the thief on the cross.

Fun fact.

Ten points to Brit.

Oh, man.

We are talking about today you will be with me in paradise in this series to Telestai.

And for all our listeners, it actually says in the notes right in front of me, the repentant thief venerated as St. Dismos. Did you cheat? I actually didn't know that, but then I just looked down and saw his name. I thought, how convenient. And then. Thanks for preparing. Yeah, you're right. You're welcome. And there's a name. I've looked at these questions. Many times, many, many times. The unrepent thief is also named in tradition as Gestis or Gizmus. So, interesting. Anybody wants to Google that? Have fun. Have fun. Which is more evidence. The church people can make up some stuff. That is so true, man. Give them names. That's so true. So I want to ask this question. Charles, why do you think Jesus was crucified along with two others? Is there, do you see a symbolism? Do you see a

numerological significance there? What do you think? Sometimes I think I get questions above my pay grade. This is

probably one of them. I don't know. All I know is that scripture says that there were two.

What I do know, which was interesting tonight, you were talking about these two guys. And I had

thought this, but I'd never been able to put it together. I mean, the two of them are criminals,

thieves, whatever, whichever gospel you're reading, however it describes them.

But the one guy is really angry.

Matthew says they're both angry, but in Luke, one of them is really angry.

And I think you said this tonight, that Barabbas may well have been with them.

You know, they're mutinous traitors, rebels against Rome, probably led a rebellion. And so I can

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