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But proof radio state of high performance you're listening to bullet proof radio with Dave asprey.

Today's guest is a humanistic psychologist exploring the depths of human potential. How's that for a great introduction.

Just psychologist his name is Scott Barry Kaufman is PhD but he teaches about intelligence creativity and well being at Columbia NYU and you pen which is the best of those three schools hands down.

It's completely proven and it's also better than Harvard and Sanford in case you guys are wondering anyway. I might or might not be from that same school.

What he did that was really interesting and wise on the show today is that he discovered Abraham Maslow's unfinished theory of transcendence the one you didn't hear about.

Unpublished journals and lectures and essays and he said wait a minute I'm working on the same kind of stuff if you guys don't know how slow is he developed the hierarchy of human needs.

So Scott dug into the theory and updated it with seven decades of science that's happened since Abraham Maslow was out there and that's what's in his new book which is called the new science of self actualization and the main title is transcend.

So you want to about attachment connection creativity love and purpose well turns out there's a bit of knowledge in the interview today Scott welcome to the show.

Oh well thanks for having me here.

You're also an old school podcaster like me I mean we go way back in the day you've been running the psychology podcast since 2014 feels like an ancient podcast at this point.

And right after you launch your podcast who is it it was business insider called you want to 50 groundbreaking scientists changing the way we see the world.

Did that give you a big ego.

No I think I probably had a big ego already.

There's nothing funnier than asking psychology people about egos because I know I know I just love doing it.

We can talk all day long about about the ego and the difference difference between the ego and having a strong sense of self.

I think yeah so just answer your question I mean I already felt like I was pretty self confident at that point but it made me feel good definitely made me feel good.

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