You're listening to The Hidden Economics of Remarkable Women, a podcast from Foreign Policy.

I'm Marina Ninen.

I'm excited to share that the idea for today's show came from you, our listeners.

Many of you wanted to hear follow-up stories.

You suggested talking to past interviewees and seeing what they're doing now.

And you're wondering, have the gender equality issues that they were fighting for advanced

or gotten worse since we first reported on them?

So for the next two episodes, we'll catch up with guests and reporters from some of our

favorite hero episodes.

Personally, I deeply appreciated talking to them.

Despite all the present turmoil, they've reminded

me how important it is to stay focused and to keep moving forward. Today, we're coming back

to Sabrina Habib, CEO and co-founder of Kodogo, a nonprofit focused on creating affordable,

high-quality daycare centers. She was on her very first episode back in 2021.

At that time, she told me about how she first came up with the idea

to start Kidogo on a visit to Kenya.

So it was nearly 10 years ago that I first stumbled across one of these baby care centers. I was working for a large

nonprofit in Kenya and had the chance to go out to an informal settlement or a slum just outside of

the city. We had heard about this concept of baby cares and wanted to learn a little bit more.

We took our shoes off at the door and then

open the door. And the first thing that struck me was the smell. There was no sanitation at all.

So the smell of urine, of feces, it was overwhelming. And it was completely dark. I couldn't see

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