Hey, this is Justin Richmond, host of the Broken Record podcast. Every week, I or my co-host,

Leah Rose, sit down with the artists you love to get unparalleled creative insight. Our new series

is looking at one of the most influential jazz labels ever, Blue Note Records. You'll hear from

artists like legendary bassist Ron Carter, singer-songwriter Noah Jones, and guitarist Julian Lodge.

Listen on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to podcasts.

From PRX, this is Songwriter, the podcast that turns stories into songs. My name is Ben Arthur.

Season 6 of Songwriter is made possible by a grant from Templeton World Charity Foundation.

In each episode, we've been exploring elements of human flourishing. And along with the usual stories and songs written in

response, I've been including the perspective of scientists who study that particular element

of flourishing. Today's episode features a conversation with Dr. Salma Moussa, who studies

polarization and empathy, as well as a brand new song from

H. Sino of the band Mashruailela. But first, a poem that inspires it all.

My name is Halalian. I'm an Arab-American Palestinian-American clinical psychologist. I'm a professor,

and I'm a writer, a novelist, and a poet. And I'm someone that thinks very much in terms of narrative, how stories get disjointed, how they get fragmented,

and then what we can do with those fragments.

So both in terms of creative work and in terms of clinical work.

And so I think that's kind of the through line

that connects all the different roles that I have

and different work that I do. So I spent part of my childhood in the Midwest in Oklahoma for several

years and in Texas for a year. I remember having met a girl, I think in kindergarten or something or

first grade, who had the name Holly. And I remember liking it. And I decided in my rewriting of my childhood that my parents had kind of stepped in and said,

okay, her name is difficult to pronounce because it's sort of this like guttural age. Let's give her,

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