There are YA books that had such a big impact on my thinking.

And I think that's so valuable.

And also, like, a court of Thorne and Roses is a well done version of what that book is.

Like, there are other versions of it that aren't as good.

Like, we all can envision a circle in our mind, but, like, drawing a perfect circle is really fucking hard.

Yeah, totally.

There's something also really impressive and well done and important and meaningful about

completing like a genre book really well.

Well, Twilight like changed a lot of people's lives.

Yeah.

I totally.

I mean, I think like I'm, I have such a distorted and imperfect memory of the ContraPoint's

video about Twilight. But I think that they're like is

just something even beyond discussions of whether it's good or bad. Like you can't deny that

those books like tap into her impact, like desire. Like totally. And like a generation's desires.

And like specifically like women's desires and they shape those desires

but they're also reflective of those desires and that makes them like important and interesting

even just to talk about and I think it's tough because like sometimes when I have this conversation

I feel like it sounds like I'm saying like we need to go door to door with a gun saying like you need

to read Dostoevsky. I do not think you're saying that at all.

No.

And it's also just like, it's like a totally useless thing to say. Yeah. Not everybody needs, I don't know. You know what I mean? Yeah. It feels weird to be thinking about like putting an imperative about like a type of work that people need to be reading for their own good or something. but I think I do just like, I think I do worry about the idea that culturally there is

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