Yes, We're All Being Spied On

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4.6 • 986 Ratings

🗓️ 27 April 2023

⏱️ 26 minutes

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Summary

Remember the Chinese spy balloon? Since then, we’ve seen leaked Pentagon spy documents on Discord and the discovery of fake Chinese police stations used for surveillance in the U.S. The line between espionage and everyday surveillance/data collection is more blurred than ever, thanks to the integration of technology into our daily lives. All of us are walking pieces of data being gobbled up and analyzed by spy agencies around the world. All of this spy news is a reminder of how high the stakes are, and how little we really know about the global fight for information. Audie talks with CNN Anchor and Chief National Security Correspondent Jim Sciutto, and former FBI intelligence official Javed Ali about what can spy balloons, leaked documents, and AI tell us about the state of spying today. Jim Sciutto is co-anchor of “CNN News Central” weekday afternoons from 1 to 4. His latest book is “The Shadow War: Inside Russia's and China's Secret Operations to Defeat America.” Javed Ali is an associate professor of practice at the Gerald R. Ford School of Public Policy at the University of Michigan. Thanks to the Hayden Center at George Mason University for letting us use audio from their panel on “Counterintelligence Today.” To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:30.4	It's safe to say that in the era of social media, the spy game has changed.
0:35.6	There's more information and information gathering than ever.
0:39.8	Some of it in plain sight.
0:41.7	I have no idea what this thing is.
0:45.0	A Chinese spy balloon drifting across the United States.
0:48.7	What the heck is that?
0:49.6	In a rare Friday night statement, China apologized saying it was an off-course weather balloon.
0:55.7	So first tell us about the Chinese case, this police station. Explain what was going on.
1:01.7	Yes. Well, they were operating in the United States office of a regional provincial police station.
1:08.7	The documents were posted on Discord, a messaging and chat platform in recent weeks,
1:13.8	where they resided unknown to the Pentagon until they were picked up and disseminated further.
1:21.5	And it used to be that the U.S. intelligence agencies were reluctant to speak publicly about, well, anything.
1:29.3	There was a time not too long ago where we wouldn't say Russia, China, or Iran out loud.
1:34.8	But that, too, has changed.
1:37.1	People need to know what the threats were, who they're coming from, what the vectors are.
1:42.1	So we have changed our posture greatly, particularly in the last five years.
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