Good afternoon, Michael Malice here and let that be your welcome for the next hour.

This is going to be probably my favorite episode we've ever done. A lot of you have been asking about this for a very long time.

I've been trying to get a hold of Yummy Park while she's in New York so we could do it in person because this means a lot to me.

For those who don't know, she's the author of an order to live and she is probably the world's most famous North Korean refugee and obviously both of us have done a lot of work to try to take down this evil regime.

It's a little more personal for her, but I try to do my small part. Yummy. Welcome to the show Konichiwa. I think as you people say.

It's a Japanese, I think, Michael. Thank you so much for having me.

There's a lot of basic information that people can get about North Korea. They can find online. They can find my book. Let's get into some more technical stuff because this is a rare opportunity to talk to someone who's been there and who managed to escape.

A lot of times when I'm talking about North Korea, I'm the one who's explaining the information to the audience and I think a lot of times I'm going to get something a little bit wrong.

So can you explain to the people what North Korea's social credit song button system is and how that works?

Yeah, I think social credit is more like the current China and under the Communist Party is about giving people a score based on their behavior.

But the North Korea's system with the status in their first status is almost like, it's not like what you do or facts. It's almost like which family bloodline you're going into.

But depending on what my great grandfather did during before the Korean War and where he lived between like in the Korean Peninsula was in the South and the like which army was you joined the army based on all of that.

My family status they decide which class I am in. So basically they divide into three big classes and then along the three big class they divide on into also many like 50 different like sub classes.

And this is a very highly classified information and most of common people we just vaguely know am I in the middle and I'm in the bottom but we don't exactly what status I read.

But you were from Pyongyang.

No, so I was in the northern part of North Korea and my father had a business in Pyongyang and that's really got arrested.

So I've been to Pyongyang, but my father was the one who was living in Pyongyang substantial amount of time.

So my understanding and please correct me. This is why I have you here is that you have to have a pretty high song button to even step foot in Pyongyang because I've met refugees and they asked me, oh, what's it like?

Because they weren't allowed to even go there.

Exactly. So my father was a party member and I just like, I mean back then I thought I was pretty, you know, meter up for a meter class.

After I met so many like deep romance from like North Korea, I wasn't any close to like a late, but I guess I was in general population.

I was in the middle. So he was in the party. He was able to get a permit to visit Pyongyang and have a business there.

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