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Yehoshua Pfeffer on Haredi Service in the Israeli Military

The Tikvah Podcast

Tikvah

Judaism, Politics, Religion & Spirituality, News

4.6620 Ratings

🗓️ 5 April 2024

⏱️ 54 minutes

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Summary

Whether or not haredi Jews should be required to serve in the IDF is a perennial question of Israeli politics, one that has caused political parties to form and disband, governing coalitions to rise and fall. It was the subject of a 2021 episode of this podcast with the haredi judge, editor, and rabbi Yehoshua Pfeffer. This question has taken on a new intensity lately, as the October 7 attacks and Israel’s war in Gaza have unified most of the country in a belief that the haredi draft exemption is unsustainable, unwise, and unjust.

This week, Pfeffer joins Jonathan Silver again to talk about how the matter now looks from within the haredi community. They discuss how Israeli haredim reacted to the October 7 attacks, the experience of the small number of haredim who have been serving in military operations since the war began, and what Pfeffer thinks they should do. Notably, he argues that, as a matter of Jewish belonging, haredi men ought to enlist and help to protect their country.

Musical selections in this podcast are drawn from the Quintet for Clarinet and Strings, op. 31a, composed by Paul Ben-Haim and performed by the ARC Ensemble.

Transcript

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0:00.0

The question of Haredi military service has a long and intricate history,

0:11.3

along political history, along social history, and along legal history.

0:15.9

It was the subject of a previous episode of this program, broadcast in early July of 2021. In that previous conversation

0:22.9

with the Haredi judge and scholar, the Rabbi Yehoshua Pfeffer, we probed some of that history

0:28.1

and also discussed the religious and social rationale of Haredi separatism. The question of whether

0:34.3

or not Haredim should be required to serve in the IDF or exempt from that requirement,

0:39.3

and whether the State of Israel has an obligation to use the public purse to support Torah study.

0:44.3

Those questions are perennial issues of Israeli politics.

0:48.3

In answer to them, political parties have formed and disbanded, and coalition governments have risen and fallen.

0:55.7

In late February of this year, Israel's defense minister Yoav Galant urged the government

1:00.2

to end draft exemptions for Kharidim. It was then up to the Israeli Supreme Court,

1:05.6

who could have authorized an exemption extension, in effect putting the question into the hands

1:10.6

of Israel's democratically

1:11.8

elected politicians, or the court could decline to extend the exemption, in effect, ending

1:16.9

the decades-long arrangement that allowed Khareem to avoid military and national service that,

1:22.0

for most other Israelis, is compulsory. In late March, about one week ago, the Attorney General declared that the

1:28.5

Israeli government will no longer be permitted to use state funds to support IDF-eligible

1:33.5

Yeshiva students. In times of war, these questions take on a new special intensity,

1:39.7

and for six months now, Israel has been in an intense period of war. That's why this recent decision

1:45.5

is of such moment and such consequence. The October 7th attacks and Israel's war in Gaza have

1:51.8

unified most of the left and most of the right, too, into a very widely shared consensus

1:57.9

view that Haredi exemption is unsustainable, unwise, and unjust.

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