Oh, Oh, So welcome everybody. This is another installation of year zero.

Trailbillies mini series.

This week we are joined by Jordan T. Camp,

visiting scholar at the Charles Warren Center at Harvard, author of

incarcerating the crisis, freedom struggles in the rise of the neoliberal state, and

co-editor with Christina Heatherton of Policing the Planet.

Jordan, how you doing today?

I'm doing well.

Thanks so much for having me.

Good.

I'm glad to hear it.

So, you know, I, a few, maybe about a year ago, I'd written this thing for the

Baffler about Eastern Kentucky. So Tom and I, we live in Eastern Kentucky, you know,

which is the coal fields of Appalachia.

And I'd written this thing about the Appalachian Regional Commission, the ARC and these attempts

in the 60s during the war on poverty to develop the region and after I wrote that our mutual

friend Jack Norton he gave me this book by Clyde Woods and he said man you got to

check this book out if you're into if you're into reading about the ARC and you're reading into reading

about you know long-standing hegemonic structures in a region that is mostly rural, you've got to read this book.

And I've never heard of Clyde Woods.

And so I started reading this book, Tom and I both started reading it and we were both you know blown away

because you know where we come from there's a lot to the cover and this book is

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