WUHAN LAB RECONSIDERED: 7/8: Chaos Under Heaven: Trump, Xi, and the Battle for the Twenty-First Century by Josh Rogin (Author)
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🗓️ 6 May 2024
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https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/us-shared-gobsmacking-covid-lab-leak-file-with-uk/ar-AA1o8PCZ
https://www.amazon.com/Chaos-Under-Heaven-Twenty-First-Century/dp/0358393248
By the time the COVID-19 pandemic erupted in Wuhan, Trump’s love-hate relationship with Xi had sparked a trade war, while Xi’s aggression had pushed the world to the brink of a new Cold War. But their quarrel had also forced a long-overdue reckoning within the United States over China’s audacious foreign-influence operations, horrific human rights abuses, and creeping digital despotism. Ironically, this awakening was one of the biggest foreign-policy victories of Trump’s fractious term in office.
Filled with shocking revelations drawn from Josh Rogin’s unparalleled access to top U.S. officials from the White House and deep within the country’s foreign policy machine, Chaos Under Heaven reveals an administration at war with itself during perhaps our most urgent hour.
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| 0:00.0 | I'm John Bachelor. |
| 0:09.0 | I'm John Bachelor show with Josh Rogan of the Washington Post the Global Opinions |
| 0:14.5 | columnist. Most importantly right now the author of the new book Chaos Under Heaven, Trump, |
| 0:20.0 | She, and the Battle for the 21st Century. This is a story of 16, 17, 18, 19 and 20 that |
| 0:28.0 | March establishes what we know and don't know about the pandemic, about the threat to national |
| 0:34.7 | security here and with our allies and the threat to planet Earth right now, what |
| 0:39.9 | we know and what we don't know. There are ironies are plenty here because Josh is |
| 0:44.7 | telling the story of the Trump policy towards China with China that was looking |
| 0:49.5 | to in some way resolve itself in January of 2020. |
| 0:54.0 | The Phase One trade deal. |
| 0:57.0 | History is not neat, and it can be one thing after another. |
| 1:02.0 | On the 15th, that Phase One... It can be one thing after another. |
| 1:02.9 | On the 15th, that phase one deal with handshakes all around |
| 1:07.3 | is sealed in Washington. |
| 1:10.4 | And the Chinese negotiators get on the plane to go home to Beijing. |
| 1:14.0 | The day before, however, at the National Security Council meeting at the |
| 1:20.0 | it was held at the National Security Council meeting at the policy coordination |
| 1:28.0 | committee level that is the principles were not there the coordinators |
| 1:32.1 | were there there there was a report of a strange new |
| 1:34.7 | flu from China and one of the people attending that meeting is Matthew Potendre, we've met |
| 1:40.8 | him before. What did they know on January 14th about this flu, Josh, because |
| 1:46.2 | I mentioned that I had spoken of that flu on January 6th to my colleague Gordon Chang when we did a show that night. It was |
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