From KCRW, I'm Kim Masters, and this is The Business.

Writing true crime, I feel like a great responsibility is on your shoulders,

and it's upsetting when people are unhappy with the representations.

Even though you know you do them for the best reasons, it really impresses on you.

Tom Robb Smith has written novels and TV shows about murder before,

but with his newest project, the assassination of Johnny Versace,

he's tackled his first story based on real events.

The family of the slain fashion icon has slammed the FX series.

Smith tells us about the challenges of writing about real people and about trying to make

sense of Andrew Kunanin, the brutal killer who took the lives of five men, including Versace,

in the course of three months. But first on the news banter, the ladies are talking about

the loot. Stay tuned. It's the business from KCRW.

I am joined by my colleague in banter, Matt Bellany, of the Hollywood reporter. Hello, Matt.

Hi there. So the conversation that seems to be the next logical step from the Times Up movement and the Me Too, which

preceded in a way the Times Up, is the conversation about pay parity. You know, are women being

paid on a par with men? Do they get what they deserve? And just most recently, Octavia

Spencer brought this up in a panel discussion at the Sundance Film Festival.

She was talking about Jessica Chastain inviting her to do a movie with her. This is a project,

a holiday movie that was actually sold in an auction to Universal. It's a project that has not

yet been done. But Octavia Spencer explained to Jessica Chastain that women of color are more discriminated

against than white women in the business.

And she then, as you will hear, emotionally talked at this panel about how Jessica Chastain

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