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🗓️ 13 April 2025
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“Everything’s changed,” says author Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie. “I’ve changed, and every book is a different person.” It’s true: in the 12 years since the release of her best-seller, Americanah, Adichie has oscillated between beloved novelist, public intellectual, and feminist icon. This spring, however, she’s returned to her true love: fiction.
We sat recently to discuss her excellent new book, Dream Count (5:20), the decade-long writer’s block she pushed through to publish again (7:00), the profound, familial loss that upended her life (9:55), and the experience that turned her into a feminist (21:20). Then, Adichie reflects on her childhood growing up in the aftermath of the Biafran War (34:42), the importance of seeing yourself in literature (39:00), her affinity for American universities (41:50), and how her racial awakening culminated in Americanah (44:49).
On the back-half: a wide-ranging, candid exchange around the erosion of free speech (53:36) and the American left (56:12), how she’s grappled with backlash (58:45), her case for intellectual curiosity (1:11:40), the prophetic work of W.E.B. Du Bois (1:13:40), and where she finds inspiration for the page (1:19:00).
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0:00.0 | Lemonada. This is Talk Easy. I'm Stan Forgo, so welcome to the show. |
0:41.6 | Today, author Chima Manda Ngozi Adichie. |
0:48.8 | She emerged at the age of 26 with her debut novel, Purple Hybiscis, a coming-of-age story about a teenage Nigerian girl torn between her Igbo heritage and the fanatical Catholicism of her |
0:55.8 | westernized father. That was published in 2003. Her second novel, Half of a Yellow Sun, |
1:02.3 | arrived three years later, informed in part by her family's stories of surviving the Biafran |
1:08.3 | War between 1967 and 1970. Adichia herself grew up during a period of |
1:16.1 | military dictatorship in Nigeria, where journalists routinely mysteriously disappeared. |
1:22.9 | This made her, I think, an ardent defender of the press, and by extension, free speech. |
1:29.1 | But it's been more than a decade since the publication of her most popular novel, Americana, |
1:34.8 | which won the National Book Critics Circle Award in 2013. |
1:38.9 | In the intervening 12 years, Chimamanda has mostly published essays on feminism, |
1:45.9 | gender, the Me Too movement, |
1:51.5 | grief, and the function of race in America. You may have read those essays in The New Yorker and the Atlantic. We dive into all of those topics on the back half of this episode. But we begin |
1:58.5 | with her latest novel, Dream Count, set in Washington, D.C. during the height of the |
2:04.2 | pandemic, it focuses on the interconnected stories of four women and how they've come to understand |
2:10.2 | one another through experiences with their friends, family, and lovers. At its core, it's about |
2:16.6 | the domain of the human heart, an allergy for dreams deferred, |
2:21.8 | for what was or what could have been, if not for a wrong turn or two. The book is dedicated to |
2:28.3 | Chima Manda's mother, who passed away in the spring of 2021, which was less than a year after losing her father in |
2:35.5 | 2020. You can feel them both in the margins of dream count. You can also feel Chimamanda |
2:42.3 | throughout our back and forth working through this insurmountable loss. We do a lot of |
2:48.0 | working through in this conversation, for that matter. I know many of you are coming to this |
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