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🗓️ 10 June 2025
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There are 5 different generations in the workplace today, and strong views can lead to conflict between age groups. But are generational differences really the problem? In this episode, Adam investigates the root causes of age stereotypes, why they hold us all back, and how to overcome generational divides at work. Guests: journalist Nicole Smith and research scientist Jennifer Deal.
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Host: Adam Grant (Instagram: @adamgrant | LinkedIn: @adammgrant | Website: adamgrant.net/)
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Nicole Smith (Instagram: @writingtwin | LinkedIn: @nicoledoniellesmith)
Jennifer Deal (Website: https://ceo.usc.edu/bio/jennifer-deal/)
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0:31.7 | I would say within the first couple of weeks, I realize we have a problem. |
0:40.5 | I had a group of managers who were managing a group of young journalists on the digital side, and they shared with me how my team, |
0:45.6 | who were in their 40s, 50s, and 60s wouldn't play nicely when it came to doing projects together. |
0:51.8 | Nicole Smith was in her 30s when she was hired as a manager in a newsroom. |
0:55.9 | Her job was to oversee a team of veteran print journalists who'd been at the paper for decades. |
1:00.7 | My goal was to get in there and say, okay, the way that we've been doing it, I respect it. |
1:06.7 | Is there also another way that we can do it so that more people can see your work? |
1:11.2 | Journalism was in the midst of a seismic shift from print to digital. |
1:15.3 | Suddenly, success was measured by online clicks, views, and shares. |
1:19.6 | This transformation demanded new skills and new ways of thinking. |
1:23.4 | It called the value of classic reporting into question. |
1:26.4 | It required even the most seasoned journalists to change the way they did their work. |
1:30.6 | But that wasn't the conversation Nicole walked into. |
1:34.0 | Instead, it was all about age. |
1:37.4 | I'll never forget this. |
1:38.7 | They told me how there was an invisible barrier where people from the team that I was now managing |
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