Hi, listeners, it's Lila.

We are off for just one more episode, and today we're sharing with you our sister podcast, Working It.

This is a recent one on why everyone's training to be a therapist, and it's actually quite an interesting exploration of the way that we're all looking for meaning right now.

We hope you like it, and we'll be back this Friday.

We can't wait.

Hello and welcome to Working It from The Financial Times. I'm Isabel Berwick.

Just before we get started, I wanted to mention something. We're adding a new segment to

Working It that we're really excited about. If you read the Working It newsletter, you might be familiar

with office therapy, where I help to solve your workplace problems. Well, we're bringing office

therapy to the podcast, and we're teaming up with my wonderful colleague Jonathan Black to do it.

You can now send in your workplace and career dilemmas directly as voice memos using the link in the show notes.

We may play your audio on the show, but you don't need to give us your name or where you work

or any other details. So please do send in your questions. We want to hear from you. Now, let's get on

with the show.

I think what counselling brought home to me really is the workplace is a grand theatre.

You know, it really is a place of great drama, of great conflict, of great cooperation, of friendships made, friendships broken.

I think I find that really, really interesting.

Work takes up a huge amount of our time.

And I think we should all be spending more time thinking about what is really happening in the workplace.

You know that friend of yours who's retrained as a psychotherapist or a counsellor?

Well, it turns out quite a few of us have a friend like that. Mine is Michael Skopinka,

whose voice you heard at the top of the show. Michael worked at the FT for more than 30 years

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