We don't censor ourselves more making the film. We don't say that's going to be too expensive. That's going to be too hard to get.

We just try to get every single thing we possibly can and then we try to figure out how to pay for it.

If it really gets bad, you know, we go crying to the broadcaster in a way. You don't want us to cut this deep.

Hello, and welcome back to Working. I'm your host, Karen Hahn.

And I'm your other host, Isaac Butler.

Hi, Isaac. So good to record with you again.

I know. Two weeks in a row.

It's our power hour. So I know that you are a Stanley Nelson fan, but I am unfortunately not that familiar with his work.

So I was hoping you could introduce us.

Absolutely. So yes, as you said, that was Stanley Nelson.

We heard at the beginning of the episode, and he is an incredible documentary filmmaker.

Really, at this point, kind of almost like an elder statesman of the form.

Some of his recent films include Miles Davis, Birth of the Cool, The Black Panthers, Vanguard of the Revolution, and Freedom Riders.

My actual favorite film of his, which we talk about in the interview itself is

Jonestown Life and Death of the People's Temple, which is an incredibly intense documentary about Jim Jones and the People's Temple,

and both their political work in San Francisco and the kind of mass suicide that they committed in their compound in South America.

And it's one of the most powerful documentaries I've ever seen.

He has a new film out now on Showtime, co-directed with Tracy A. Curry called Attica, which tells the story of the Attica Prison Uprising.

And just as a little tease, what do you slate plus listeners have in store for them this week?

Slate plus listeners have a very special treat in store.

It's actually probably some of my favorite stuff from the interview ended up in plus this week.

We talk about the very beginning of Stanley Nelson's career when he apprenticed with William Greaves,

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