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The first version of any scene I write is kind of the lifeless version,

which people are just being very reasonable and sensible,

and everybody's just getting a long fine.

And then suddenly as I go to the opposite extreme,

I'll rewrite the scene so it's just like people screaming and throwing things.

I'm like, okay, that's also not the interesting version of the scene.

I have to kind of find the right pitch,

and oftentimes it's like acting the scene out in my head a few times.

Welcome back to working.

I'm your host, Ramon Alam.

And I'm your other host, June Thomas.

June, at the top of this episode,

we heard someone talking about writing a scene.

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