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Culture Study Podcast

Women's Sports and Gender Panic

Culture Study Podcast

Culture Study Podcast

Society & Culture, Arts

4.5789 Ratings

🗓️ 13 November 2024

⏱️ 52 minutes

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Summary

Almost all of the public conversations about sex testing and sports — or, more to the point, who should be allowed to participate in women’s sports — are pretty bad. In many if not most cases, they’re outright transphobic; even in the “best” cases, they’re still pretty ham-fisted. But Rose Eveleth is having a very different sort of public conversation about sex testing in their new podcast, Tested — one that looks to the way these tests affect the athletes subject to them, and how the concept of fairness in women’s sports has become so fraught. For today’s episode, Rose answers your questions about the history of women’s sports gender panic, why men aren’t subject to the same sex testing, and how the Paralympics imagines “fairness” in profoundly different ways. I absolutely loved this conversation. I think you will too.Show Notes:Go listen to Rose’s podcast, Tested — it’s phenomenalThe website for Tested has so much good stuff, including a glossary (and explanation) for all the terms used in the series and a bunch of the supplemental pieces Rose and I reference in our conversation, like this piece on the ParalympicsBecome part of FlashForward and directly support Rose’s ongoing workRose strongly recommends Michael Waters’ The Other Olympians: Fascism, Queerness, and the Making of Modern SportsChristine Mboma, one of the featured athletes in TestedRose also recommends: Katrina Karkazis’ Testosterone: An Unauthorized BiographyWe’re currently looking for your questions for future episodes about:WTF is going on with kids toys right now (you can take this in any direction)The future of (downhill) skiing and livability of ski towns just generallyThe new Gladiator + Paul Mescal JUST GENERALLYWhy does it feel like thrifting sucks nowAnything you need advice or want musings on for the AAA segmentYou can submit them (and ideas for future eps) here (this is the subscriber-only form!)For today’s discussion: I don’t think this will be a problem here, but absolutely no transphobic bullshit will be tolerated in these comments, full stop. But if this episode helped reframe some things for you, we’d love to hear about it — or your own thoughts re: the Ask Anne Anything question!

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0:00.0

Melody, the first thing you said to me is that you've been getting a lot of TikToks for tubal

0:05.9

legation. Yeah, and also moving to Ireland. In addition to just like all of the other processing.

0:17.4

Welcome to the first culture study podcast post-election.

0:21.8

I'm very glad that we didn't have anything come out last week.

0:24.8

Can you imagine?

0:25.5

Nothing would have felt appropriate.

0:26.8

No.

0:27.7

But we are happy to be here.

0:29.3

And actually, this is a perfect episode that I think this is the sort of nuance that I always crave when talking about something as complicated as gender in sports. And this is the sort of nuance that I always crave when talking about something as complicated as gender in sports,

0:40.2

and this is the sort of nuance that I think a lot of people really reject. And I just, I love this

0:46.6

episode. It's fantastic. And I'm really grateful for all of our listeners who are also willing

0:52.9

to lean into the complication. So we're really

0:56.8

happy you're here. Okay, women's sports have never been more popular. And there's also like

1:04.5

endless, seemingly endless public hand-wringing and outright panic about who should be able to

1:09.3

participate in women's sports.

1:12.1

So, Rose, are these two things connected?

1:15.7

Yes.

1:17.6

Yeah, yeah, absolutely, absolutely.

1:19.8

I think that, you know, if you can ignore women's sports because there's no money in it,

1:24.0

there's no fame in it, there's no cultural power in it, then it doesn't matter

1:27.6

who competes. But as soon as that stops being the case and as soon as you have women athletes,

1:33.7

female athletes, being incredibly culturally powerful and relevant and rich and have all these

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