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Hello and welcome to True Crime Daily, the podcast covering high profile and under the radar

cases from across the country every week. I'm your host Anna Garcia and we are recording this on June

16th of 2021. Our guest today is Stephen Lee, a former federal prosecutor and a current trial

lawyer and litigator. Stephen, welcome to the program. Thanks Anna, glad to be here.

We're thrilled you're here because you've got some expertise and background from your prosecuting

days and also as a defense attorney. I realize that Stephen, you don't necessarily work on

murder cases but the fraud and the health care cases that you have worked and continue to work.

Give me an idea of the complexities of how that may have some implications on one of the cases

we're going to look at as far as paper trails. Well, I think for this case particular, the first

one we're going to talk about, there's a murder case but there's a huge financial component

to this case. It seems like that was the motive for the case and it seems like the investigators did

a lot of work to reconstruct finances and so that's kind of what led to helping them determine

the motive and opportunity for the crime. So that kind of fits in. Those are the kinds of things that

fit in with other, I usually deal with more complicated health care fraud where people are defrauding

insurance companies or Medicare. So generally in those kind of cases you're not trying to kill the

victim, you're just trying to rob their insurer. So that's why it's a little different, very

different from my typical case. But the financial aspects and some of the basic tools that they used

in solving this case, I think those are similar. I mean, one of the things that's very interesting

about what happened in the first case we're going to talk about is that the defendant just talked

the police multiple times and gave inconsistent statements. That's the kind of thing that's a huge

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