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The Word on Fire Show - Catholic Faith and Culture

WOF 513: The Play of Lively Minds (5 of 12)

The Word on Fire Show - Catholic Faith and Culture

Brandon Vogt

God, Vogt, Catholicism, Catholic, Faith, Christianity, Barron, Religion & Spirituality, Christian, Church

4.95.5K Ratings

🗓️ 27 October 2025

⏱️ 22 minutes

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Summary

Newman thinks that the fullness of an idea can best be manifested when it enters the play of lively minds. It grows and develops through the Church. Newman's organic imagery opens up an interesting way of thinking about the difference between development and corruption in matters of doctrine. 

Topics Covered:

  • The unveiling of ideas through the lively play of minds 

  • Difference between development and corruption 

  • The Prophetic Office 

  • The Kingly Office 

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0:00.0

Welcome back to the Word on Fire show.

0:10.0

I'm Dr. Matthew Patrusick, Senior Director of the Word on Fire Institute and the host of the

0:13.7

Word on Fire show. Thank you, as always, for joining us.

0:16.8

Friends, in honor of St. John Henry Newman's recently being named a doctor of the church,

0:22.5

we're bringing you Bishop Barron's entire Word on Fire Institute lecture series on John Henry Newman.

0:28.7

Throughout these next several weeks, we'll dive deep into one of Bishop Barron's spiritual and intellectual heroes.

0:35.0

As always, enjoy.

0:39.1

So we're continuing now with our analysis

0:41.1

of the wonderful essay on the development

0:43.3

of Christian doctrine, written at the midpoint

0:45.6

of Newman's life and career.

0:48.7

We've seen this idea of the unfolding

0:53.3

of a notion or concept over space and time. It takes time and it takes

0:58.7

the play of lively minds for an idea to display itself fully. And in fact, a real idea is never

1:07.4

exhausted. It might take us all of space and time fully to understand an idea.

1:14.7

This also allows Newman to overcome what he takes to be a more Protestant prejudice

1:19.8

in favor of going back to the beginning. So I know there's something attractive about this.

1:25.9

If you use the image of, let's say, a cluttered house, let's get rid of the clutter in this house. Let's get rid of the layers of wallpaper and bad paint and try to restore it to what it once was. So I get it. There's something valuable about that. Or, you know, to typically modern image,

1:46.1

you find it in Descartes, is if a city has become kind of rickety and overgrown and dangerous and

1:52.2

winding streets, why don't we just knock all that down and restore a kind of harmony, symmetry,

1:58.9

and order to the city? It happened, by the way, in Paris, didn't it, the 19th century? When a kind of harmony, symmetry, and order to the city. It happened, by the way, in Paris,

2:02.5

didn't it, the 19th century? When a lot of medieval Paris was knocked down, all that remains is,

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