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🗓️ 28 July 2025
⏱️ 46 minutes
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In taking the name Pope Leo XIV, the new pope has signaled that the Church finds itself in an era marked by tumultuous social change. The question remains whether the Catholic social thought of his predecessor Leo XIII’s time is still applicable today given the radically different world we now live in—a world increasingly defined by the rise and possible dominance of artificial intelligence, robotics entering into mainstream life, the breakdown of regular physical contact among people, and the rise of transhumanism. Can Catholic social thought help us to navigate these uncharted waters?
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00:00 | Introduction
01:45 | Episode 500!
02:51 | What is Catholic social thought?
03:59 | Pope Leo XIII and Catholic social thought
06:05 | The Catholic conception of human dignity
08:00 | How Catholics understand the common good
09:36 | Defining solidarity
11:39 | Understanding subsidiarity
13:45 | Factoring in the question of sin
17:19 | The significance of the name Leo XIV
18:08 | Examining the nature of artificial intelligence
23:23 | Humanity and the machine
29:09 | Limiting principles
31:35 | Virtual reality, avatars, and companions
35:38 | AI and the workforce
40:43 | AI and art
43:14 | Listener question: How does one respond to “science doesn’t care what you believe”?
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0:00.0 | Welcome back to the Word on Fire show. I'm Matthew Petrusik, Senior Director of the Word on Fire Institute, |
0:04.2 | and the host of the Word on Fire show. Thank you for joining us. Pope Leo the 13th is widely regarded |
0:09.6 | as the founder of modern Catholic social thought, a vast, systematized collection of moral teachings |
0:14.9 | grounded in natural law and the magisterium of the Catholic Church. Leo the 13th was responding to widespread social, economic, and moral upheaval caused by rapid |
0:25.0 | industrialization in the West, combined with novel philosophical and political movements that |
0:29.5 | challenged traditional conceptions of the human person and the meaning of human life. |
0:34.7 | In taking the name Leo the 14th, the new pope has signaled that the church finds |
0:39.2 | itself in a similar era, one marked by tumultuous social change. The question remains, however, |
0:45.5 | whether the Catholic social thought of Leo the 13th's time is still applicable today, given the |
0:51.3 | radically different world we now live in, a world increasingly defined by the |
0:55.9 | rise and possible dominance of artificial intelligence, robotics entering into mainstream life, |
1:02.5 | the breakdown of regular physical contact among people, and the rise also of transhumanism, |
1:09.2 | moral, economic, and political realities that Leo the 13th could |
1:13.4 | probably have never conceived of. |
1:16.2 | Can Catholic social thought help us to navigate these uncharted waters? |
1:19.8 | Can it continue to guide, inspire, and warn us in an age so different from its origins? |
1:25.7 | Is it still, to put it bluntly, useful? |
1:28.3 | Here to discuss the unique challenges of our age |
1:30.3 | and the enduring relevance of the Catholic social thought tradition |
1:33.3 | is Bishop Robert Barron. Bishop, welcome back to the studio. |
1:46.6 | Hey, Matt, another to see you. |
1:48.6 | So today we're talking about modern Catholic social thought, which really first crystallized |
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