Welcome back to The Word on Fire show. I'm your host, Matthew Petrucic, Senior Director of the Word on Fire Institute.

Thanks for joining us. Today we bring you the second half of an hour-long conversation between Bishop Barron and Tammy Peterson,

who recently found her way into the Catholic Church through a litany of life-shattering trials and life-saving grace.

Enjoy.

Music. and grace. Enjoy. When I was suffering in the hospital, I used to, oh, I had some terribly painful, not too many,

but some terribly painful procedures. And of course, that would scare me, but I'd pray, the Lord's prayer really is what I prayed.

And it sustained me, and it didn't matter if it hurt.

What, you know, what is that? How can that be? It's going to a deeper place. So, especially that's

why pain, pain so concentrates us on itself. You know, when you're in pain, that's your whole world.

Now, it is hard to pray when you're real sick. That's true, I think. It's harder.

But when you do it, it moves you to a deeper place or a higher place, whatever metaphor you want to use.

But a place that is transcendent to that particular moment.

And it gives you a piece that the world can't give.

It gives you a piece that's beyond understanding,

because it's beyond the usual dynamics of this world.

And that's why it's indispensable.

But one thing that it strikes me in the Catholic tradition,

that praying for each other, to some degree,

it really is praying for those who are incapable of praying for themselves

for whatever reason.

So as a priest, I pray the office every day.

And as I say, sometimes you're in the mood, sometimes you're not.

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