Welcome back to The Word on Fire Show. I'm Brandon Vat the host and the senior publishing

director at Word on Fire. Today we share with you a conversation that Bishop

Baron recently held with Tom Holland. Tom is an award-winning historian, author and

broadcaster. He's the author of the best-selling book Dominion, How the Christian Revolution

Remade the World. Bishop Baron talked about that book a couple times here on the show.

And in this conversation, which took place in London at the sharing the Church's story conference

in February 2023, Bishop and Tom Holland discuss Western culture, the intellectual and moral

aspects of Christianity, and the doctrine of original sin among many other interesting topics.

It's a great discussion, it's about an hour long and I think you'll really enjoy it. So sit back

and enjoy this conversation with Tom Holland and Bishop Baron. Enjoy.

I get to chair interesting conversations from week to week on a show called Unbelievable

and I've had both Bishop Baron and Tom in conversation with other dialogue partners,

but it's a real pleasure to bring them together today and we're going to be discussing the question,

how can the Church tell its story in a post-Christian world and there will be opportunity

for questions later on. So you're going to use the Slido app for that I'm told, there's the

hashtag there to be able to submit your questions for a bit later on. But please again, give a warm

welcome to my guest Tom Holland and Bishop Baron. Well, what a delight to be able to bring you both

together. I know there's been a lot of anticipation for this dialogue at the conference today.

Let's start with you Bishop Baron. Tell us firstly the fact that you're so influential in your

ministry, word on fire, on YouTube, in online spaces. Where's that come from? What kind of fruit

are you seeing through that? Yeah, as a question people ask me a lot and I've reflected on it,

that's where I have a really good answer. When I started doing my work in this more

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