If we weren't sinners, it wouldn't be a struggle.

We would, I've used the image before it,

we would dance with the Lord.

We'd walk an easy harmony with Him.

But because we're sinners, we're gonna fight with Him.

And we end up, as Jacob does, wounded by the struggle.

Welcome back to the Word on Fire Show.

I'm Brandon Vought, Senior Publishing Director at Word on Fire.

Today we're going to continue our series on understanding Genesis. We'll be focusing on Jacob, the famous

patriarch of ancient Israel. How should we understand scenes in his life, including the famous Jacob's

ladder, his mysterious wrestling match, and much more? But before we get there, I want to welcome

Bishop Robert Barron, Bishop Barron. Always good to see you. Hey Brandon, always good to see you too,

even though it's across what three thousand miles of territory, but looks like a regular with me.

We're recording this in December, where of course in Florida, it's still in the upper 80s,

but I know you just told me in Santa Barbara, it's chilly. It's a little chilly and our studio here

doesn't have heat and so it gets really cold here when it's cold outside, but I'll survive.

Listen, you just got to do something that is unique to bishops and that is Ordene,

a young priest. Tell us about that experience. Oh, it was a great experience. Just the other day,

I was at one of our parishes in Oxenar, California, which has had a lot of people. He's a young man

from the missionaries of the Holy Spirit Order. You might know Bishop Gustavo Garcia Sierra,

who used to be Bishop in Chicago, auxiliary, and now he's the Archbishop of San Antonio. He's a member

of that community. They're active very much in my region. I ordained this young man,

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