Welcome back to the Word on Fire Show. I'm Brandon Vat, the senior publishing director,

and we're happy to share with you the latest episode in our series titled Bishop Baron

Presents Conversations at the Crossroads. Maybe you've heard some of these conversations

already, but this is a series of intellectually invigorating discussions featuring a wide

range of religious, political, cultural influencers. All designed to share different perspectives

and encourage greater understanding and civility. Usually Bishop Baron sits down with a person

he doesn't totally agree with, but they're able to discuss what they have in common and

explore some of these interesting ideas. Today though, he sits down with Sorab Amari. Sorab

is the author of a new book titled The Unbroken Thread, discovering the wisdom of tradition

in an age of chaos. Sorab named his son after St. Maximilian Colby and this book originated

in his hope to inculcate in his son the virtues and the values that shaped this great saint.

They discuss a lot of topics within this one hour dialogue, including the problem of

scientism, how Catholic morality can serve as a referee for society, the paradox of freedom

from restraint, St. Thomas Aquinas is teaching on how our longings are satisfying God, the

problematic loss of the idea of Sabbath and leisure and spiritual rituals, and finally,

how to avoid egocentric self-invention and instead to accept an invitation to spiritual

adventure. So it's an amazing conversation. We think you're really going to enjoy it.

You can watch the video version on Bishop Baron's YouTube channel or if you're more of

a podcast person, this audio version might be a little more accessible for you. But we invite

you to sit back, get ready, and enjoy this Bishop Baron presents Conversation with Sorab Amari.

Enjoy.

Alright, Sirab Bishop, it's great to have you guys here and I'm so excited about this conversation

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