We must distinguish between what's in the Bible and what the Bible teaches.

What's in the Bible? There's all kinds of things in the Bible. As I say, proof texting,

I can prove anything from the Bible. What's in the Bible? But what the Bible teaches,

Flaker would say, is often a function of the themes and patterns and trajectories inherent in the

Bible as a whole.

Welcome back to the Word on Fire Show. I'm Brandon Vot, the senior content director at Word on Fire.

We got a fascinating show for you today because we're going to look at some of the most

difficult passages of the Old Testament. Ones that have caused Christians trouble and confusion

for many, many years. And we're going to look at how some of the brightest minds in the church

have understood and interpreted them. But before we get there, Bishop, welcome. Good to see you.

Hey, Brandon. Always good to see you. Let's give everyone a couple updates as we normally begin

the show with. The first one is you joined the Good folks at the Babylon B for a podcast discussion.

This is a primarily Protestant satirical news site. And I think they've recently started this

podcast. What did you guys talk about? How did it go? You know, it's good. I knew their work from

Facebook and their little kind of, as you say, satirical cartoons and comments. And the other good.

I didn't realize they had this podcast show. I think you told me about it. And they were good.

We horse around a little bit just joking around. But then we got in some pretty serious topics

about the culture where we are today, evangelism. A little bit Protestant Catholic debates. As you

say, they're more, I think, on the Calvinist side of the equation. So we talked about that a

little bit. But I enjoyed it. You know, they're interesting fellows. They think seriously about a

lot of things, but they also have this playful take on the world and on the church. So, you know,

this was fun. The GK Chesterton ended up coming up. I know that was a shared bond between all of us.

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