I'm Rory Stewart and I grew up wanting to be a hero and I'm still fascinated by the ideas of heroism.

In my new series, I'm taking in the long sweep of history from Achilles to Zelensky and asking, what is a hero?

Simply doing your job, being a decent human being.

A true hero is someone who just kind of shines by

their own light and that light is to be recognized by others. The long history of heroism

with me, Rory Stewart. Listen on BBC Sounds. BBC Live.

You're right, Mark? No. If you listen very carefully... Live Live.

You're right, Mark?

No.

If you listen very carefully, you can hear one of our production team changing a channel.

And now sneaking out.

We can all hear you.

All right, Jamie. We can all hear you, Jamie.

Jamie's like an extra in that old TV show Crossroads, where they made walk-on appearances, but they weren't allowed to say anything because you had to pay them more money. Who was the guy that played Benny? No idea. Someone will look it up? What? Paul Henry. Paul Henry. Yeah, we both got that in that. He was on pointless celebrities last week. he wearing his bubble can i don't know

oh missed whatever it was and then

she ended up

what's the name of june gordon

June whitfield no not June whitfield

the lead player in in crossroads thank you very much

sandy richardson

mrs richard mcgerton

noll gordon thank you very much Noel Gordon. That's what I was going for.

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