Yeah, for me as a white person, I don't want the reaching back to be a disavowal of responsibility

for the hundreds of years of white settler colonization that I benefit from and part of and perpetuate

and to hold that complexity alongside. There was a time when my people were not yet part of that.

Hello beloved listeners, this is Adrienne Marie Brown, writer of stories and songs which

gardener of ideas, healing ideas like emergent strategy and pleasure activism. Based in the land

of the Lombi, Shakuri, Spirugre, Tuscore, and Eno peoples, and this that you're listening to

is how to survive the end of the world. Our podcast about learning from apocalypse with grace,

rigor, and curiosity. When I say hour, I'm calling in my beautiful sister, who is an Aikido badass,

whose knee has recovered and she is back on her Aikido mat, but she's currently on sabbatical.

So in her absence and in honor of my book Fables and Spells, I'm going full witch this season

and having conversations with my favorite witches and teachers and reading a little bits and pieces

from a book. Now when I say witch, I mean people who work with elements of the natural world,

including our human nature to generate more possibilities. We're engaging the essential

world with magic, healing, and supernatural intentions. This includes shamanism, sorcery,

seeing, healing, herbalism, midwifery, and doula labor, raky and loot work, conjuring, ritual,

spell casting, astrology, divination, sound baths, all the ways we build a direct relationship

with the realm of the ancestors and the spirit of holy and ourselves. And for those of you who

are regular listeners, you know that we don't we don't have sponsors, we don't have a big

funder behind us and we don't do ads. And no shade on anyone who does, it's just not how we do it.

I like to be able to just make the offer based on the listeners wanting to support it. So

we have a Patreon, it's patreon.com, backslash, into the world show. And if you like what you hear,

become a patron. Now, our guest today, I'm really excited because in some ways,

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