Donna Otto says your spouse is not your enemy.

The enemy is the ruler of this world who wants you to believe that your husband is an enemy

instead of a sinner just like you.

Elizabeth Elliott taught me that I married a sinner.

She got me all riled up one day telling me how much David was a sinner and I was going yeah yeah yeah

and then calmly she said and he married a sinner too this is the revive our hearts podcast with

nancy de maas walden author of adorned for july 22nd to 2020, I'm Dana Gresh.

We've been talking this week with Donna Otto, who's an author, a speaker. We've had a lot

of fun, haven't we, Donna, this week? And you've been so honest and authentic.

Thanks for sharing out of your life. Thank you for mentoring so many women as the Lord has put

women into your life to mentor you, and now you're sharing with the next generation,

including about 30 women who've been in the room with us this week. And we've so appreciated

that.

Donna is the founder of a ministry called Homemakers by Choice.

And if you go to our website, Revive Our Hearts.com, we'll have a link to the website for Homemakers

by Choice.

There's some terrific resources available, small groups that can be started, where women can

encourage and support one

another in practical ways as women, wives, moms, keepers at home. The whole curriculum is

built around Titus Chapter 2, and there's a lot more there than what we'll talk about in these

few moments. But I encourage you to check out Homemakers by Choice.

We've been talking about Donna's newer book,

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