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A bit of a different thing going on this week.

You've been immature and you've lied.

And now you're trying to turn it on me and manipulate me and gaslight me.

I was trying to manipulate you.

Diana, you would be chucking their clothes out of the window.

I know, I'd be like, are you joking?

I don't know. I guess you'd have to ask.

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Welcome to the History Extra podcast, fascinating historical conversations from the makers of BBC History Magazine.

On today's podcast, we're exploring the little-known story of Winthrop Bell, a Harvard philosophy professor turned spy, who worked for MI6 to provide intelligence from post-World War I Germany.

The information that he gathered was vital in shaping crucial diplomatic moments, including the Treaty of Versailles,

but the full extent of his warnings of the Nazi danger has only recently come to light.

Speaking to Ellen Evans, the author Jason Bell discusses his book, Cracking the Nazi Code,

which delves into Winthrop Bell and his exploits.

Welcome to the History Extra podcast, and we are talking today about Dr. Winthrop Bell,

a man whose career as a secret agent spanned the two

world wars, reporting from wartime and interwar Germany, and he issued stark warnings about the horrors

of the Nazi regime early on. Jason, thank you so much for joining us today on the History

Extra podcast. Thank you, Eleanor, for having me. Wonderful. I wonder if we can start by an introduction

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