Williams v. Reed
U.S. Supreme Court Oral Arguments
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🗓️ 7 October 2024
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| 0:00.0 | We will hear argument first this term in case 23191, Williams v. Fitzgerald. |
| 0:07.4 | Mr. Unikowski. |
| 0:08.6 | Mr. Chief Justice, and may it please the Court, Patsy and Felder controlled this case. |
| 0:13.7 | In Patsy, this Court held that a failure to exhaust was not a defense to liability under Section 1983. |
| 0:20.2 | In this case, however, the Supreme Court of |
| 0:22.2 | Alabama dismissed petitioner's claims because petitioners failed to exhaust, contradicting Patsy's |
| 0:27.5 | holding. Felder confirms that Patsy applies in state court. This court reasoned that the |
| 0:32.9 | dominant characteristic of a civil rights claim is that it's judicially enforceable in the first instance, |
| 0:38.7 | and that characteristic does not vary depending on whether the suit is filed in federal or |
| 0:43.4 | state court. The same reasoning applies to this case. Respondent characterizes Alabama's statute |
| 0:49.7 | as a neutral procedural rule, but there's nothing neutral about it. A claimant has to seek relief |
| 0:54.7 | from the Secretary before suing the Secretary. The Secretary never has to seek relief |
| 1:00.0 | from the claimant for anything and never has any reason to exhaust any remedy. Respondent also |
| 1:04.9 | emphasizes that Alabama's law is jurisdictional, but this Court has held that a State |
| 1:09.1 | cannot avoid preemption by defining |
| 1:11.6 | the jurisdiction of state courts to exclude cases in which the defendant asserts affirmative |
| 1:16.8 | defense that this Court has held is not available, and that's exactly what happened in this |
| 1:21.2 | case. Finally, and at a minimum, the Alabama statute is preempted as applied to this case, |
| 1:26.8 | in which the Alabama Supreme Court reached the Kafka-esque conclusion that petitioners could not challenge their inability to exhaust precisely because of their inability to exhaust. |
| 1:36.1 | I welcome the Court's questions. |
| 1:38.3 | Mr. Unikowski, would you have the same objection if Alabama required these claims to be made in a lower state court? |
| 1:49.2 | No, Your Honor. |
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